Hillyer firm on 4 of 5 suspensions

By Jim Osborn josborn@columbustelegram.com
Friday, Oct 30, 2009 - 10:07:07 am CDT

COLUMBUS -- The suspensions of five Columbus High School wrestlers for the first half of the season in connection with a hazing incident last summer won’t be lifted.

A group of parents of the CHS wrestlers recently appealed a late-September disciplinary decision by the Columbus Public Schools board to suspend the athletes for the first 45 days of the wrestling season.

The parents group felt the suspensions, which essentially wipe out the season for the athletes, “didn’t fit the crime” and presented those arguments to Superintendent Paul Hillyer in the district’s appeal process, said a parent of one of the boys who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The suspension of one of the wrestlers was shortened, with the others left intact at 45 days, the parent said.

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discoverer fan
Oct 30, 2009 11:32 AM
Hooray for Dr. Hillyer to stand by a decision made by his staff.
Good Example
Oct 30, 2009 11:41 AM
Well if nothing else this should deter this type of behavior in other kids in the future. When the students see this tough stand against incidents such as this they will think twice before doing it. I am a wrestling parent in a nearby county and there was bullying like this when my son was a freshman and the coach did nothing about it and the wrestling team and coach was the talk of the town that season because of the lack of discipline for things such as this.
great
Oct 30, 2009 12:19 PM
Just remember, this was a NON school function during the SUMMER. What has happened here is that Dictator Hillyer can now punish your kids too. Think about it, is this what we want in our town, the school system raising our kids? You sheepel are following down a slippery slope allowing this to go on. Hope he's not punishing your kids next. Don't think it can happen, niether did these kids.
Mike Parker
Oct 30, 2009 12:28 PM
Bravo Dr. Hillyer!!! It may not be the most popular decision -- but it is the most appropriate. College students lose full-ride scholarships for such actions. Hopefully all high school athletes in the metro-Columbus area will think twice before becoming involved in hazing activities.
CHS COACH
Oct 30, 2009 1:27 PM
I coach for CHS in another sport and I can tell you right now my days of taking kids to camps and other acitivites are over. I cant be with them 24 hours a day and if a kid decides to misbehave, I am not going to be responsible and lose my job because of their stupidity. Nice job Hillyer! If it was done as a school function, the action would have been appropriate but it was not. What's next and to what level can Hillyer display his control. I dont condone the behavior of these kids but the school should not have gotten involved in this case.
dry ice
Oct 30, 2009 2:28 PM
To "great"

In reading your last sentence, I get the idea these boys figured they'd be off "scott-free" because the incident happened at a 'non-school' event. Such fools, these lads! If their mommies and daddies backed that notion, it tells you a little about what's wrong these days. The boys are lucky assault charges were not filed.

To: "CHS Coach"
If the school hadn't got involved, there wouldn't have been ANY punishment. You may not 'condone' the kid's action, but at when do kids learn that actions have consequences.

IT WASN"T THE COACH'S FAULT...IT WAS THE KIDS!!! Get it???
Outstate Nebraska
Oct 30, 2009 2:33 PM
Didn't the parents of the 'hazed' student go to Hillyer with an attorney? I believe that is why he got involved in the first place.
sonny
Oct 30, 2009 2:34 PM
Good job Hillyer.Columbus needs more like you to step up to the plate.I think each one of those suspensed wrestlers should have the same thing done to them.If the parents thinks this is okay take them along and do it to them.Then watch them laugh over this and think it is okay or just maybe they should learn by taking parenting classes along with it all.
To CHS COACH
Oct 30, 2009 2:36 PM
If you are not smart enough to figure out how to get these kids to act responsibly, you shouldn't be taking them to camp anyway.

Get the parents and the kids together...TOGETHER, AS IN ALL PARTIES IN ONE PLACE AT THE SAME TIME...before the trip. Put your foot down with these people. Go through a list of expectations. Then explain that if there are any problems on the trip, the parents can drive out and pick their kid up. How many problems do you think you would have then?

I think that is the whole point of the Dodson resignation/intimidation.

Your comment is a cop-out.
outsider
Oct 30, 2009 2:38 PM
It is amazing that a non school function can cause this much of a problem in a school activity! A person might get a lawyer involved in this or at least take thier kid to another school to wrestle, what they did I do not condone but the more this is wrote about the fishier this gets, you would think that if this was a non school activity the coach would not have got fired over this and I agree with the CHS coach why would you want to go the extra mile for a kid when what you make for coaching is bird seed compared to the time spent trying to develop a program. THE FIRST STEP TO A SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM IS AS PARENTS IS SUPPORT YOUR COACH! Wake up CHS parents and look in the mirror and at your kids before you attack the coach. There must be some legal action if this was not a school activity.
future teac
Oct 30, 2009 2:54 PM
Dr. Hillyer needs to resign when 45 day suspension is over. This isn’t his only problem, his middle school idea TERRIBLE, remodeled high school TERRIBLE, Reason this is suspension is bad because now he has opened the door and will have to fire whoever he gets a complaint on a faulty member. Example a student goes home and says their getting picked on in math class. This means DR. HILLYER will have to fire that teacher and suspension the student. Interesting? Only thing parents have to look forward to is not having your students go to summer camp because band, German class, basketball, football, student council activity leaders will be afraid to go anywhere. Yes hazing happens but when it is bad is when it is abusive and not when someone is playing jokes on someone. Being a alumni this is very disappointing and future high school teacher I will never apply or recommend peers/coworkers to apply to CHS as long as he as anything to do with Columbus High. Congrats Columbus on having a new problem along with your current ones. Hopefully you voters will learn from your mistakes over the past few years and learn to do research and listen before reacting.
What they did not when or where is the issue
Oct 30, 2009 3:00 PM
I wonder what the parents think would be a fit punishment? No internet for a week, maybe no car for a weekend, perhaps lowering their allowance to $100 a week, etc.

The kids did wrong, whether it was school related or not and should be punished for it. Who does the punishing depends on other facts but punishment certainly should start with the parents, regardless of whether it was a school function or not.

Wonder why our world is a mess? Here is one good example. Responsibility must be taught and shown and dealt with when it is not taken.
Sick of this
Oct 30, 2009 3:28 PM
CHS COACH,

I couldn't agree with you more!
Michelle
Oct 30, 2009 4:06 PM
What exactly happened??
Whoa
Oct 30, 2009 4:41 PM
I agree with CHS COACH. What CHS coach is going to want to do these non school function type camps and risk losing his/her job? What about a potential new coach coming into the CPS system and knows about this risk? Is this canidate going want to take that coaching position? Good Luck at finding such person! How much time does Hillyer have left?
Shocked and saddened
Oct 30, 2009 4:48 PM
CHS, who do you think you are??? Dr. Hillyer you sound like President Obama. This incident had nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with you or with CHS. Although the actions are not something I condone, I cannot support the punishment by someone not involved. My son is a senior at CHS and if he were to do something like haze another a child I would be outraged at you punishing him when it had nothing to do with you or CHS. I am in complete agreement with the parent group and hope they sue you. From what I understand, the coach was not getting paid by CHS and was on his own time, correct? I will be glad when we are finally done with the CHS system in 7 months.
Marie
Oct 30, 2009 5:00 PM
Uh, lets see if I understand this right. These boys are school wrestlers, and they went to a summer camp FOR wrestling - and you say this was NOT a school function? Then WHAT qualified them to ATTEND this summer camp? They were SCHOOL wrestlers, right? I applaud Dr Hillyer for the decision against hazing and bullying.
A little late isnt it
Oct 30, 2009 5:17 PM
First I would like to agree with CHS coach. This was a NOT a school activity and they should have stayed out of it! But since they didn't - why weren't the punishments effective immediately, as soon as school started? That would have made more sense. I can't believe how absurd this has become.
Wake Up
Oct 30, 2009 6:02 PM
The notion of saying this camp was a non school sactioned activity is ridiculous. Has the school board ever said that this camp was not a school sanctioned activity or just these parents? The parents of these suspended students are calling it this in the hopes that their students would not be punished by the school. Must be what their lawyer told them to say. Of course this camp was a school sanctioned event. If it wasn't, the school would have no right to get involved and these parents should sue the school. In today's front page article, it states that the parent group is unlikely to pursue an injunction. Kind of makes sense now, huh?

Just FYI, the team registered as Columbus High School. The wrestlers competed as a team against other high school teams. They drove to the Colorado camp in Columbus School vehicles.

Aren't school vehicles supposed to be used for school activites? If not, where do we sign up to use one for our next family vacation?
To To CHS coach
Oct 30, 2009 6:09 PM
Your pompous attitude makes it sound like you might like to volunteer for the next out of town trip!

How do you people know that these kids were not punished at home? Maybe they were! WHO KNOWS?!?

Also - Marie, there are a lot of sports that go on that are not school affiliated. I don't condone what went on at the camp but it is NOT the school districts issue. If Dodson would not have been a coach this would have never been brought to the school. The district needs to stick to dealing with
school issues and stop railroading their employees and students. Let the parents discipline their children.
CHS Alum
Oct 30, 2009 6:47 PM
School function or not, these athletes were there as representatives of CHS and this community. Their actions reflect negatively on CHS and Columbus and therefore the punishment is just.
outsider
Oct 30, 2009 7:18 PM
To Marie:
Let me think here Marie if a basketball or volleyball and wrestling teams go to a camp it is usually put on by someone other than a school but the camp is usually hosted by a coach and permission is given to the coach who is associated by the hosting venue to use the facility. If this was a sanctioned school event I think the NSAA in Nebraska would have something to say in this. So in that statement if it is not school activity why did Dodson loose his job? Kids that are involved in these High School choose to attend these camps and any kid can attend these camps but since kids attend these camps usually with kids that attend the same High School it is assumed by the public that it is a school function when these coaches are going out of the goodness of their own heart and taking time away from their own families to give these kids an oppurtunity to succeed any parent could go in the coaches place but DO NOT HAVE THE GUTS TOO! The reason being they see their own kids in their homes and probably don't want the respsibility of 15 or so kids to watch that act like thier own children but are the first to call for the coaches head when little jimmy or suzy is not getting a fair shake over in their minds. Dodson is still getting a bad rap by CHS! The kids involved should be punished for their actions but not Dodson. Because as parents can we really watch all of our own children 100% of the time, to make sure they are acting like perfect little angeles? I guess we can if our name is Marie. One thing is for sure the parents from CHS are making Scotus and Lakeview look like the scools to attend in this town not only athleticly but also academicly.
outsider
Oct 30, 2009 7:48 PM
One more thing you parents of the kids that did the hazing be happy thats all your kids got was a suspension from wrestling and no criminal charges were filed it could be a lot worse. Good luck Dodson in all you do. Hillyer thats were you made your mistake is not sticking up for your coach, should have handled the kids this way before a knee jerk reaction in assuming your coach was the only one to blame! Because know I wonder if even your teachers think you have their back when times get tuff! You don't have the coaches back!
Columbus Parent
Oct 30, 2009 8:29 PM
FINALLY!!!Hillyer makes a logical decision! To all who think the school system shouldn't be involved---THESE WRESTLERS WERE REPRESENTING CHS-SO IT WAS A SCHOOL RELATED FUNCTION.

Maybe the parents of these suspended wrestlers should all get together to take parenting classes. You need to teach your teens to be RESPONSIBLE. These parents don't want anyone else to discipline their children because they don't know how to do it themselves.
Dont Matter
Oct 30, 2009 8:57 PM
re Marie: The fact is the kids are wrestlers,but the camp was in the summer and not during the school year,the camp was paid for by the kids NOT the school,the busses were RENTED from the school not like normal activities during the year the school furnishes the ride. They do have such activities as summer leagues in sports that are NOT sponsored by the school and most all kids that want to go can go they do NOT have to be involved in that sport during the school year, so that is the difference. If this WOULD have been a school sponsored event that would be another story, it was not. And what about the kid that this happened to, did he get reprimanded for what he did to one of the wrestlers FIRST that has now been suspended???? NO HE DID NOT THEY HIRED A LAWYER INSTEAD. It is all very sad for all involved-especially Coach Dodson He is only 1 man he cannot be everywhere all the time, if he would have been in the room when this took place,then someone would have yelled because he was not on the mat helping the kids with wrestling, he can't win for losing.
shocked and saddened
Oct 30, 2009 9:41 PM
Marie, with that attitude every thing a kid does should be punishable by the school. Did the school pay the entry fee for these kids? They were on their own time not the schools. If a kid gets a traffic ticket should he be suspended from school? If my son talks back to me should he get detention at school? There is no legal problem that I am aware of so the school should stay out of it. When did CPS become the moral watchdog of the community? The main consequence to this whole issue is that the coaches will not take kids to camps or work with them for fear of losing their jobs.
CHS Concerned Booster
Oct 30, 2009 10:59 PM
To CHS Coach:

So you say you aren't going to take them to summer camps, huh? So what is that going to translate to? Are you going to win 25% of your games instead of the 33% of them that you are currently winning? Until you realize that the crux of the issue is character, you will continue to win at a 33% clip. You may need to look at the success of the CHS Band recently. You have one guy who is responsible for approximately 140 kids. The band goes to four competitions each fall. When was the last time you heard of an incident regarding the CHS Band? Wasn't that group recently rated as a "superior" at the latest State AA Band competition. Weren't they one of six or seven bands out of 28 bands to get that rating? HMMM - It appears to me that you may need to take more time establishing expections of those that you take to these camps and whine a little less of your responsibilities!!!!
a real realist really
Oct 31, 2009 12:28 AM
a question to ponder? What if this incident was alcohol related? There are specific guidelines for drug and alcohol offenses. Are there specific guidelines for this? I don't know, but it is also a different can or worms??
get real
Oct 31, 2009 12:38 AM
If they went with the school coach, in the school vans, and signed in as Columbus High School, I think that pretty much says they were there representing the school. My kid has been to camps/trips/etc. that WE paid for that were still considered school functions- such as the band trip to the Alamo Bowl last year. That trip was during Christmas break, and was paid for by the individual parents, but the kids were expected to follow school rules, down to the dress code. If a group of them had behaved like these wrestlers did I would EXPECT Mr. Peabody to discipline them, and take it to the administration. In fact he had a plan in place to put them on the first plane home- at parents expense- if they didn't follow the rules. The kids behaved and represented CHS and the Columbus community well, and there were over 100 of them there. I would think that we could ask the same of a handful of wrestlers at a summer camp in Colorado.
status quo
Oct 31, 2009 12:54 AM
So why aren’t all the kids punished in all the sports? Why aren’t all the coaches punished when their athletes do things they shouldn’t? Why do some students who get an MIP continue to participate, and others are not allowed?

My issue is not with the punishment; my issue is with the blatant bias and inequity.

Hillyer was bought like a street corner girl. Hillyer, the guy that bought him, and several of the board members brought more disgrace to this community than the kids they punished.

I don’t think the punishment was too harsh, I think the punishment is way too selective.
It was a school activity
Oct 31, 2009 1:24 AM
1. To say this was not a school activity is just ignorance. If these kids didnt wrestle for CHS they would not have been on the trip.
2. When did CPS become the moral watchdog of the community? WHEN PARENTS STOPPED DOING IT THEMSELVES! If parents would have stepped up to the plate and taken care of the dicipline themselves, someone else would not have had to. Losing their season should be the least of these students worries. They were lucky charges were not filed.
3. It is a shame a coach lost his job. He went out of his way to help these students out, to make them better athletes and people, and he is repaid with this.
4. The parents of the students in question said the punishment doesnt fit the crime. Good, then it should keep others students from hazing in the future.
5. CPS, good job teaching the idea of decisions and consequences. There are at least a few parents who have not gotten the job done. Someone has to do it.
Hillyers the Bully
Oct 31, 2009 6:16 AM
Paul Hillyer is the bully - he's bullying the youth right out of our children. In moderation, wedgies and swirlies are good for us and are part of growing up - we should all have been the recipient of one (or several for that matter), from our siblings and friends, teammates and classmates. Most of us should, from time to time, be subject to the same as an adult as well. It's good for us to see the inside of a toilet, be lifted off the ground by our underwear until they rip. My intuition leads me to believe Hillyer either a) received too many as a youth or b) not enough, in which case, he should be subject to both now. It would do him some good. It would do all of us some good to see just how ridiculous we have become as adults - bullying the youth right out of our children.
Sunshine
Oct 31, 2009 8:09 AM
re Wake Up- I hate to burst your bubble but this was Not a school sanctioned event,the expenses were paid for by the parties that went on this camp again Not the school, the vehicles that were taken to Colorada were RENTED from the school,NOT the school furnishing the vehicles. And then after this incident (2 months later) that is when the parent or Parents of 1 of the kids who was begged by the Coach to go on this trip started crying and his Parent or parents got a lawyer and went to the school board and threatened a lawsuit. I think maybe it scared the board so they called the coach on the carpet about this which he knew nothing about until then,maybe they should have found out from all that were there of what happened and then decide what the next step would be. And by no means do I agree with what took place but I think the coach got punished for what the kids did- as we all know we cannot watch all kids at all times, and they need to be responsible for themselves after a certain age.
TO GREAT
Oct 31, 2009 8:37 AM
YES! This is exactly what I want. My kids to fear and respect the system so this CRAP stops here and stops now. If children today would fear repercussions like we did when we were kids this wouldn't happen. They played with fire and they got burned, and I don't care if it was summer and it had nothing to do with school - GOOD JOB Dr. Hillyer. Shame on you for not supporting him - I assume this effects your son and his wrestling career - perhaps you should have raised him to have more respect for others and he wouldn't be in this mess to begin with and shame on you for not supporting his punishment.
Common Sense
Oct 31, 2009 9:47 AM
Want to settle the fact if it was a school or not... have the school reimburse the kids and parents for the money they spent on the trip then it is a school activity. I coach a school sponsored sport in Columbus and the kids have NEVER had to pay for anything on the "school" sponsored activity. Here they did. So when they school pays back the parents for the cost of the camp and travel then it is a school sponsored even, until then it is not. Pretty simple. Did the athletic director set up the kids going to this camp because athletic directors set up the events schedule?!?!
Another thing, if this was a school activity then the NSAA needs to be notified because they have rules around when activities can take place. There are dates when sanctioned sports can start. CHS would be in violation of these rules and need to be reported and CHS disciplined accordingly. So I hope the superintendent reports this to the NSAA like it should be if indeed it is a school sanctioned event.
The biggest loser here is the future. CHS isn't a competitive school athletically and now coaches will be reluctant to give extra time due to this ruling.
dry ice
Oct 31, 2009 10:11 AM
To "Hillyer's the bully"

You forgot about this lad being kicked in the head. I'm sure that was good for him too. Every adult should get beat up every so often. It builds character.

Sure, Dodsen wasn't there when it happened. But he found out about it and did nothing. THAT"S the problem.
H-m-m-m
Oct 31, 2009 10:12 AM
"Zero tolerance" indeed! Since when did Hillyer set himself up as the only authority for punishment? Let's have zero tolerance for Hillyer, who seems intent on getting rid of educators, alienating students, parents and dividing a community, while placating a set of attorney-toting parents.
FYI--any summer camp, whether it is for sports or any other activity is NOT necessarily school-related. Any parent, and not necessarily coaches, can take youngsters and combine the group from any school, and they do not have to be part of an "team," but can join other groups as a "team" on arrival. UNL has football camps, and players come as individuals. The big mistake was renting the CHS vehicle, and the one questionable "swirly" kid was not part of the CHS team. Hope he gets a good reception on the freshman team, and his parents get preferred seating at the meets.
As for Hillyer, in his next life, maybe he'll be offered a job as assistant to the assistant superintendent.
Mama T
Oct 31, 2009 10:13 AM
To all of you saying that Hillyer over stepped with the supensions I have one question (especially to the COACH), do you know anything about the CHS sport program????????

Although I have been out of CHS for a few years I am sure that the rules have not changed that much. And in fact I just read the CHS school handbook, here is an excerpt (feel free to check it out yourself as it is available on the school website!) "It shall be the right of Columbus Public Schools to establish rules of conduct for participation
in activities. Students who participate in extracurricular activities shall be held to a higher standard of
conduct than those who choose not to participate. Furthermore, it shall be the right of Columbus
Public Schools to impose sanctions for violations of those standards if the administration determines
to its satisfaction that a violation has occurred.
It is the belief of the Columbus Public Schools that it is important to support the total student. Expectations for our youngsters participating in co-curricular activities include not only
behavior at school or at school functions or events, but go beyond the school day and into the community. We believe that part of learning is accepting responsibility for one's actions. Thus, the school district is extending its authority to hours and places beyond the regularly perceived
boundaries in an effort to show strongly to students and the community our intent to work with and
help all youngsters in their decision-making. We believe this stance will further help to develop
responsible adult citizens while serving as a deterrent to certain unlawful behaviors.
Participation in school sponsored activities is a privilege and not a right. Students participating in Columbus High School activities must be "in good standing" with school regulations and will be held responsible for knowing and abiding by all activity regulations which are listed in the Columbus High School Student Handbook"

Now tell me how Hillyer over stepped???? It clearly states that the sports is a privilege and that the students code of conduct DOES NOT stop at schoool. When I was in sports at CHS we were reminded of that at the beginning of every season. These students KNEW that how they acted out of school could affect their sport season. IT IS DIFFERENT THEN A STUDENT GETTING KICKED OUT OF A SPORT FOR AN MPI. THE ONLY WRONG THING THAT HAPPENED IN THIS SITUTATION IS THE COACH BEING FIRED AND HOW LONG IT TOOK FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO GET INVOLVED.
CHS
Oct 31, 2009 10:18 AM
So for you that agree with the punishment, the next time your child is caught acting childish or committing a crime you are going to be suspended or fired also.....

Oops, i registered as CHS. I guess it is a school sponsored comment...
Jones
Oct 31, 2009 10:32 AM
As an example;

Let us say that these same wrestlers had assaulted you, would you think it to be inappropriate for the school to suspend them?

The "athletes" at CHS have become, over many years, to believe that they are a special class.

These "athletes" have just been taught a valuable lesson.

I hope that they learn, and that their parents stop whining.
Out of Town Person
Oct 31, 2009 11:39 AM
I just found this article and called a friend of mine from Columbus to ask them about it.

Did this seriously take place away from school and it was NOT a school sanctioned event???

If that is the case what right does this Hillyer guy have to suspend these boys.

I'm sure glad that nothing like this has happened in my school district, as I'd have to tell my son he couldn't go to basketball camp during the summer that he goes to with a couple of friends. Even though it isn't school sponsored I'd hate to have him suspended because he was being a kid.
Great
Oct 31, 2009 12:32 PM
Those parents should be ashamed of themselves for trying to appeal the school's decision. Their children acted very, very irresponsibly if they are not mature enough, as seniors, to act responsibly then I'd rather not have them representing good 'ol Columbus High in wrestling. This town is very political and some of the things that happen here are plain ridiculous. If a child does something and I don't care what your last name is or who your parents are, whether they are a doctor or a lawyer or a school board member, you have to face the consequences. That's the real world. These parents shouldn't be teaching their kids any different. Not to mention one of the best coaches the Columbus High wrestling team has ever had also had to face consequences, when in fact he trusted his seniors to do right by him. And they didn't. They should be ashamed.
Awesome Decision
Oct 31, 2009 12:40 PM
Should it really matter if this happened at a school function? No. I go to CHS and frankly a lot of those boys have got off the hook for many things over the years. Will their parents punish them? Obviously not. I strongly disagree with the administration attacking Dodson. That was completely ridiculous. But these kids needed to be punished. Quite frankly, if I would've done anything remotely like that, I would have been grounded for life. That's what my parents have taught me, maybe those parents should teach their kids also. Not to mention they are seniors and should know better regaurdless.
bystander
Oct 31, 2009 1:49 PM
To Hillyers the Bully-Wow I feel sorry for you if that is your thought process.
eye for an eye
Oct 31, 2009 2:02 PM
Hopefully the child that got hazed can sue each individual other child that hazed him. Is that what they want? Simple question, From what I gather reading all the posts it was a serious enough matter to continue on like this so maybe they deserve a little more punishment. And don't stop there nip all those others acting like fools and idiots in the bud. Parents are fools too, I am so sick of hearing parents talk about "boys will be boys", "its just a part of growing up", "he/she really didn't mean any harm". What a load of crap, get off your high horse and stop trying to be friends with your children and teach them a lesson. Guide them so that they know right from wrong and have compassion and respect for others. This is why our country is going down the tubes, parents like this that let thier snot-nosed brats get away with too much!
Hillyer is a Bully
Oct 31, 2009 2:20 PM
Paul Hillyer wants to parent and bully your children. Look at his track record. Look no further than his children.
M
Oct 31, 2009 2:44 PM
To the parents of the wrestlers who received the suspensions:
Take a lesson from this and PARENT if you expect your boys to amount to anything after high school!!!! This is only the beginning of a lifetime of heartache, if they don't learn to take responsibility for their actions and remember something they learned in kindergarten....be kind to others, play nice.
TIme to do that and move on.
bystander
Oct 31, 2009 5:06 PM
If it wasn't a "school function", then tell me what criteria was used to select who went? Was it all coincidence that it was a CHS coach with CHS wrestlers?

As for the 45 day suspension, those who say organized sports for kids builds discipline, character, and what not, then let the time off do so for these kids.

Besides, it looks like they all need some more "quality time" with their parents to go over some basic social skills.
bystander
Oct 31, 2009 5:15 PM
From CHS Coach: "I coach for CHS in another sport and I can tell you right now my days of taking kids to camps and other acitivites are over."

They most probably are, but it has nothing to do with it being YOUR decision. These wrestlers and their parents took that option away from you last summer, most liekly. Do you think the school will EVER collaborate on any more sports camps after this fiasco?

Also, as an aside, why didn't the parents of the wrestlers jump in to fix the controversy BEFORE it came to this? Maybe it's a learning experience for them as well...
older
Oct 31, 2009 5:18 PM
I wonder how many of those that comment are parents of the wrestlers involved.
Some parents act like their son does nothing wrong.

Let the high schoolers learn the hard way.
parent
Nov 1, 2009 9:31 AM
To shocked and saddened. I agree with you 100 percent and I to have a senior and will be done with CHS for good. I sent 3 kids thru that school and never seen anything like i have seen this year.
status quo
Nov 1, 2009 11:41 AM
So Mama T;

MIP is different? MIP is not misconduct? Mama T better buy a dictionary. Underage drinking is misconduct. Some kids are punished for it, yet others are not. Why do you suppose that happens? And, why do you make such a strong arguement against misconduct, but not underage drinking? Sounds like you are talking out of both sides of your mouth. Guess it depends on whose kid it is... right?

The day they start treating all student athletes equally is the day I believe all that self-riteous bull.
To older
Nov 1, 2009 12:17 PM
Great question. My guess is most that oppose the decision are either family of the punished, or family friends.

Most in favor are either family or family friends of a)kids that were hazed against, or b)kids that have been past victims of this behavior.

But it seems there are a few that are simply coming forward and giving some neutral feedback this time around.

I sure enjoy following this though...kind of like a car wreck. You just can't keep from reading these posts!!

Great job Columbus Telegram...keep this thing alive. Otherwise I will have absolutely NO entertainment!!!
RE ALL
Nov 1, 2009 2:49 PM
Do any of you "really" know what happened? I have "never" seen an artical on it, ever. So is it just rumors and inuendo. I think most just post.
6th Sense
Nov 1, 2009 4:41 PM
I think all of you need to stop and think if you want the school involved in your child's out of school activity. If your child is a member of a club sports program and leaves town and something happens, do you think it should have an affect on their high school sports. I know for one that the school covers all alcohol and drug offenses in its policy so it would not matter, your child would be subject to the discipline outlined regardless of whether it was a school sponsored event or not.

The problem now is that if this case involves some type of hazing incident then that would constitute some type of assault most likely. I guess the question is the policy for the school activities when an assault is involved. Does that mean that the kid has to go to court before suspension or not. The thing that all of you need to consider is what does the policy book at the school at the time say about what happened. We all dont knwo what happened, but if what I heard happened did happen, then it should have been investigated as a criminal act.
Mama T
Nov 1, 2009 7:57 PM
TO STATUS QUO-- I meant to say that it is NO different than an MPI.

And I am so sorry that in my typing I mis-spelled suspension and put an extra "o" in school once! If you forgot I said that I went to CHS.
Michelle
Nov 1, 2009 10:16 PM
Everybody who is calling Hillyer a bully is crazy! It is the boys who participated in this incident that are the bullies!!

I commend Hillyer for sticking to it and punishing these boys. If it was my son who was participating in this incident I would want him to be punished as well. They need to learn that there are consequences for their actions.

This is HIGH SCHOOL wrestling people, I'm sure they will go on and survive!!
IMA Pepper
Nov 2, 2009 9:37 AM
Help me remeber if I got the facts straight. I seem to remember a few years back, some Basketball players were at a party and got MIP. Did the school punish them? I thought some of those players were suspended for a few games?
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CPS board to hold special meeting Monday on personnel issue

COLUMBUS -- The Columbus Public Schools board will hold a special meeting Monday to discuss a personnel issue.

The board will meet in executive session at 5 p.m. Monday at the district administration building.

No other details were available on the personnel issue scheduled to be discussed to protect the reputation of an individual or individuals.

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