LINCOLN -- Nebraska’s three Catholic bishops are urging state and local lawmakers to act carefully on illegal immigration or risk causing a backlash of discrimination and intimidation.
In a joint statement, the bishops from Omaha, Lincoln and Grand Island say state efforts aimed at unscrupulous employers are appropriate. But overall, they say, the state has limited authority to address illegal immigration and cities have an even narrower scope.
“State or local community actions that exceed jurisdictional boundaries invite actionable claims on constitutional, and perhaps other, legal grounds,” the statement says. “We have a greater concern that these actions could become a basis for profiling or other forms of intimidation or discrimination.”
The three bishops are Archbishop Elden Curtiss of Omaha and Bishops Fabian Bruskewitz of Lincoln and William Dendinger of Grand Island.
They call local efforts to require people to show they are legal residents to get housing “fundamentally unjust, vindictive and harmful.” The Fremont City Council voted down a similar proposal in July that included a provision about employment, but an effort is under way to put it on a city ballot.
The City Council will be asked at its Feb. 24 meeting to let staffers begin drafting a new ordinance that would require employers in the city to use a federal employment verification system called E-Verify.
Several immigration-related bills are being considered by state lawmakers this year, including one (LB403) introduced on behalf of Gov. Dave Heineman. It would require state and local agencies to verify the legal status of anyone trying to collect public benefits. The bill names a host of benefits, including food assistance, unemployment, public housing, welfare and retirement.
Three other bills would either require or encourage employers to verify the legal status of employees.
The bishops crafted their statement last month after sponsoring meetings with Catholics across the state and released it this month.
Nebraska is home to an estimated 35,000 to 55,000 illegal immigrants, with sharp increases in the number of immigrants through much of the 1990s and this decade, many of them drawn to the state for its meatpacking jobs.
Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials arrested 1,297 workers at Swift & Co. plants in Grand Island and five other towns outside Nebraska in 2006.
In their statement, the bishops mentioned the Grand Island raid and Fremont proposals as situations that aroused strong reactions to immigration in Nebraska.
Failure of national policymakers to craft comprehensive immigration reforms has sparked frustrations that in some people “boils over into undue anger, dehumanizing rhetoric and uncivil conduct,” the bishops said in the statement.
“Regrettably, unauthorized immigrants, the vast majority of whom lack any malicious intent and whose labor is valuable to the U.S. economy, become easy targets for distrust, resentment and anger, scapegoats for policy failures and subjects for crass political opportunism,” the statement says. “What’s more, legal immigrants, and even U.S. citizens of other national origin, may experience stereotyping and the same backlash.”
A state lawmaker who co-sponsored a measure last year similar to the bill being pushed by Heineman this year said he respected the bishops’ position.
But state Sen. Tony Fulton of Lincoln said Monday his job is to be a steward of taxpayer dollars.
“If taxpayer dollars are being used for illegal immigrants ... that’s a matter of justice, not discrimination,” said Fulton, who is Catholic.
“The bishops have a responsibility to speak out, but that doesn’t abrogate me of my responsibility.”
Underpinning the Nebraska bishops’ statement and similar positions by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops is the belief that people in poverty can’t be blamed for migrating to other countries to seek better opportunities.
The Nebraska bishops, however, said that concern about illegal immigration is understandable, given the large number of illegal immigrants in Nebraska and nationally and that “border integrity is vital to our nation.”
The bishops acknowledged that what they say may appear contradictory but is actually complementary: receiving migrants and honoring laws.
They call for national reforms in line with those supported by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.
The national conference supports letting illegal immigrants earn legal status.
They also call for reducing the backlog of people seeking visas and an increase in the number of visas so that families can be reunified.
Bishops urge care with immigrants
By Nate Jenkins The Associated Press
Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 - 11:25:26 am CST
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phreakwars
Feb 17, 2009 11:29 AM
How about instead of a bill to try and get rid of them, how about a bill that makes people get up and go do the jobs that the alleged illegal alien is stealing? PROBLEM SOLVED.time clock
Feb 17, 2009 12:30 PM
phreakwarsSounds like work to me. Would I have to be up before 10:30? What about when Oprah comes on? I don't know, man. You're asking an awful lot.
farm boy
Feb 17, 2009 12:48 PM
Looks to me like the Bishops are worried about the loss of revenue for the church. They dont care about the jobs the illegals take from the legal taxpaying residents. They just want to line the coffers with cash no matter who it comes from.Pretty sick if you ask me!
bigjohn
Feb 17, 2009 1:03 PM
leave it up to the church, which is full of pedifiles, to tell us we need to except illegal immigration and not question their ideasThere I said it
Feb 17, 2009 3:11 PM
bigjohnSounds like you're worried about them cutting into your territory.
R.U. Serious
Feb 17, 2009 5:02 PM
Or maybe a bill to punish employers that hire them, landlords that rent to them, or any other entity that does whatever they can to keep these criminals here. Phreakwars, your "they only do jobs that white people won't do" is BS. Maybe the jobs you have in your greasy spoon, but not "regular, make a living" jobs. EVERYBODY knows your opinion on your relatives, it's nothing we all haven't heard before.Brittanicus
Feb 17, 2009 6:21 PM
Well our so-called patriotic politicians had President Obama sign into law the Stimulus package, without any protection for American Workers? About time the US Chamber of Commerce dropped their disguise and honestly stated they are Foreign Government Chamber of Commerce. One again the average American Worker loses out, because certain corruptible politicians have killed E-Verify, so millions of illegal aliens can steal our jobs. ENACT E-verify as it will have a positive impact on all America.They also conspired to drop 'BUY AMERICAN'. $Billions of dollars will be once again exported and not be going in American Workers pockets.
We still have time to back Senator Sessions and other honest lawmakers before the deadline this March? We need E-Verify with its mandated success rate of 99.6 percent in perpetuity, not just 5 years? Jam the Washington Switchboard at (202) 224-3121 In addition you can call President Obama at 202-456-1111. Switchboard: 202-456-1414
OH! YES! AND BUY AMERICAN!
phreakwars
Feb 17, 2009 6:32 PM
To R.U. SeriousDon't really see any white people lining up to take those packing house and fruit picking jobs. Don't complain to me your race is so lazy they want the government to get rid of the people who will do their jobs. If people like you are so dead set against big government and illegal aliens, then kill 2 birds with one stone... go do the jobs... ya bums.
phreakwars
Feb 17, 2009 6:39 PM
And in reference to those "regular, make a living jobs". I said it once, I'll say it again. If an immigrant worker can not only live off the wages and spend money in America, and IN ADDITION send money back home, then YOU CAN LIVE OFF THE WAGES TOO... that's just an excuseBUMS
sara
Feb 17, 2009 6:45 PM
okay but what about us AMERICANS. the goverment wont help us out we work hard and break our backs but what do we get, we get regected. i dont have anything against what you are doing but it would be nice if us americans could get a little bit more help. i have 2 children and i have type 1 diabetes and i cant get a job because i cant afford a babysitter. and i cant get any help with my medication or food for my children there are weeks we suffer to make ends meet.kitty
Feb 17, 2009 7:56 PM
I believe we can all agree the illegals are here, and those with jobs should be working at gaining legal status. Those without jobs should be required to gain employment in a set amount of time or be sent back from whence they came. Without proper Federal and State laws in place and observed, everybody is in limbo. It's time to stop the influx, secure the borders, and integrate all legal and illegal (working to become legal) immigrants. With so many people out of work and fewer jobs, we really don't need any more people entering the country. I believe the Bishops feel this way too while trying to be compassionate.R.U. Serious
Feb 17, 2009 7:59 PM
It's because of types like you phreakwars, why respectable Hispanics, suffer. You spout your racist BS, and they pay the price cuz most (white people) think all Mexicans must be just like you. And that's something (you) we don't need here.phreakwars
Feb 17, 2009 8:34 PM
All Hispanic ARE just like me. We work. You don't. We do whatever job it is with pride, you don't. Not my fault you hate us because we'll work when you won't, or we'll take pay that you won't. That's what happens when your pampered all your life. You have nothing better to do but blame others for stealing jobs you won't do. And, if I'm racist in any way against whites (which I'm not, 90% of my relatives are white and born in America)it would be because I see first hand for myself the laziness exibited by people, who then turn around and complain "THEY TOOK UUURRRR JOOOBBSS". So what job has an immigrant taken from you lately that you weren't too lazy to do yourself?BUMS !!
JPJ
Feb 17, 2009 10:30 PM
phreakwarsI worked in a packing house for 18 years. The difference with me is that I worked toward making myself more educated and advanced. Idiots like you will be working for low wages your entire life because of your ignorance.
rob g
Feb 18, 2009 12:01 AM
I am so tired of people who have never worked a day in their life trying to tell the rest of us how to live. I grew up Catholic but I have never seen a priest yet who had to figure out how to feed a family or cover the bills.rob g
Feb 18, 2009 12:14 AM
Schuler pack paid about a $12 to $14 an hour starting wage back in the 80's. That would be like about $20 an hour today(and it should be that much because of the hard work). I have spent a lot of time in southern CA and know that hispanics are very hard workers who are getting taken advantage of by greedy corporations who treat them like slave labor. The corporations cash in while the rest of us have to pay for it.American
Feb 18, 2009 9:02 AM
It is against the laws of our country to cross our borders without the proper immigration documents. Once you are in our country, you are a criminal with the intent to do harm to our country. What other laws need to be broken in order for these people to be deported????????wait a minute
Feb 18, 2009 12:42 PM
to phreakwars; huge difference when we have to pay for our own medical insurance or medical care because we are legal and we work. You need to get a grip, especially if you are a business owner. I sure will not be giving you any of my money after finding out what a bleeding heart you are for those "so unfortunately unfortunate".stop racism
Feb 18, 2009 3:10 PM
It is 2009 so why is there still racism in this world. Isn't anyone else sick of it? Illegal immigrants are ILLEGAL!!!! Does not matter what race they are; they are ILLEGAL!!!! It is unfair to assume that all caucasians are lazy, or all african americans are lazy, or all hispanics are lazy. I have been working since I was 15 yrs old and have done most every thing from food service to production to office management. I have had some of the dirtiest jobs imaginable so I don't appreciate the inference that "all white people are lazy bums. I have a neighbor who allows her children "run wild" through the hallways of the apartment building. A couple of weeks ago, she accused me of throwing something at her dogs(they also run wild). We exchanged words and she told me she "can do anything she wants because she is legal". I sincerely don't care who she is; I just want to have peace & quiet when I get home from work and not have to worry about tripping over toys and trash. Just remember when you are pointing fingers, three of them are pointing back at you. It is time to teach our children and some adults not to hate because of race, religion etc.
bigotry at its finest
Feb 18, 2009 5:23 PM
bigjohn and rob g,I will just take your bigoted comments with a grain of salt as you apparently have to intellegence into the situation.
It doesnt surprise me that so many low-lifes around this community would resort to bashing Catholics.
The Catholic Bishops have made valid points here. Yes, illegal is illegal regardless of race and Jesus himself would not approve of breaking the law. However, we do have to remember that we are all humans and deserve to be treated as so. If you are here illegally, then something needs to be done so that you are not draining the rest of us that do pay our medical bills out of our own pocket.
Its really that simple and the unnecessary Catholic bashing should end.
rural mom
Feb 18, 2009 5:34 PM
Can someone please tell me what business phreakwars owns. I definately would like to know that I can stay out of there!!R.U.Serious
Feb 18, 2009 7:06 PM
rural mom, don't eat pizza anywhere near Wal-Mart and you will be ok.Christian Sirname Catholic
Feb 18, 2009 7:10 PM
TO: farm boy, bigjohn, rob g and anyone else who seems it's appropriate to bash the Catholic Church, it leaders, and it's members. The Church is NOT FULL OF PEDOPHILES! Furthermore, (rob g) while Priests do not personally have families, they have hundreds of families in their parishes that they attend to and still have to juggle bills and expenses to keep up the Church! it's not as simple as u seem to think it is, but if you paid attention to the goings on at your own church (assuming u go to one, Catholic or otherwise) you would probably have realized this.
I don't kno how you people can slander another's religion (or even your own) so easily. how about next time you all feel like opening your mouths or posting up on here, try not to let the ignorant comments fall out.
Old_Timer
Feb 18, 2009 11:46 PM
It isn't that nobody wants these jobs that the illegals are taking. No one wants them at a wage that would only allow them to retire and live comfortably only in Mexico.When Schuyler paid well, there was no problem whatsoever in getting enough legal employees.
Jump the wages back up to where they were in 1980 levels, adjusted for inflation, and there would be a line outside.
Old_Timer
Feb 19, 2009 12:18 AM
If you disagree with what Phreakwars says, that's one thing.(I often do) However, the personal attacks, insults, and name calling can't go unchallenged, regardless of my position on the matter.
I have known Phreakwars for a couple years, and I'm guessing he has done more for this community in any given week than most of you who are attacking him have done in all of your combined existences here on this Earth.
So stick with the debate, and if you have nothing to add to said debate, then step away from the keyboard or navigate away from this page.
rob g
Feb 19, 2009 12:27 AM
To Christian Sirname Catholic, I realize the great service that priests provide, but please do not tell me they know what it takes to pay the light bill and provide for a family.(you are in fantasyland if you think they do) I really do not believe it is bigotry to state the FACT that there is not a priest in Nebr. that works as hard as most of us grunts do everyday(show me a blister on a priests hands and they might classify it as a miricle). We are the hard working people who provide for everyone else with the high taxes and welfare but we are at our breaking point. It is great that we can help out but there is a limit to everything, and this limit is getting beyond ridiculous!rob g
Feb 19, 2009 12:35 AM
Also, Christian Sirname Catholic, I have never needed the phony atmosphere of everyone keeping tally of who was in church that week or not. God loves me for being the good person that I am and he really does not care whether phony people like you see me in church or not!Farm Boy
Feb 19, 2009 5:00 AM
Hey Christian, I am not bashing any particular religion just stating facts. The catholic church is one of the biggest business organizations in the world. Constantly trying to promote its business with donated dollars. If a particular group of donors will be sent back where they belone ie "illegal aliens" then their bottom line will suffer. Simple business math.You think Vatican city was built by a few meager donations? Think of the upkeep for that showplace as well as all the upkeep here in the US for the tall spired temples.
Simple economics!
rob g
Feb 19, 2009 7:51 AM
I will agree with "old timer" about staying away from the personal attacks. I disagree with "Preakwars" about a lot of things but keep his business and his way of supporting his family out of it!Christian Sirname Catholic
Feb 19, 2009 8:49 AM
Ok rob g. everyone is in the same boat this day and age. costs are up, profits are down, and there are few jobs to even give people now a days. as far as priests not working hard...now u listen here! for years and years now, there has been a shortage of priests. in rural parts of the state its not uncommon for a priest to have to attend to not only 1 church, but usually 2 or even 3. not only do they have to pay to drive their vehicles there, but figure out how to keep the churches afloat financially too. they do this on an income significantly lower than your own. u think it's so easy to be a priest and u've got it hard where u stand now, go ahead and become one. then come back and tell me they have it easy, blisters or not.farmboy, ur making it sound like the Catholic Church is the only organization that runs everything like a business. u look at any church of any religion and realize that they all effectively are businesses. however, i've yet to be to a church that charges u at the door. point is that on the level of your basic parishioner, the church doesn't demand that anyone pay anything for it's services, unlike a business. they rely on free will donation, and yes you are right, w/o people going to the church, there is 0% chance that they will make any money vs. if people do go.
I'm also sure that if one were to check the views that other Christian religions take on this issue, one might find that more than a few of them share a view that's inline w/ the Bishops. does that make all Christian organizations greedy businesses hiding under the guise of religion? i'm at least happy that you 2 can come back at me w/ local arguments and contribute to the debate, and i do commend u for it.
zwiddlez
Feb 19, 2009 12:48 PM
Old_Timer & rob gI have seen the personal attacks go both ways with phreakwars, so think about that before you go preaching. Also, we have a freedom of speech in this country and if I remember right, phreakwars is one of those that defends that so well.
With that said, anyone that reads his posts and disagrees with his views, and believe me I along with many others do; HAVE THE FREE CHOICE OF NOT BEING PATRONS of his business. Hows that for freedom?
I just hope that R.U.Serious didnt have to disguise the name of his business in order to get them to post his comment! If so, they have violated the right phreakwars defends!
Also rob g, your comments just show ignorance of the Catholic Church or any Church for that matter.
to phreak
Feb 19, 2009 1:09 PM
I have an idea too....how about make the illegal workers pay the same taxes that all legal workers pay??? If they paid the required taxes, it would be a different story. I know for a FACT that illegal workers claim enough dependents on their W4 that they will basically be paying no state or federal taxes.Another idea, There are currently millions of jobs getting lost. Why not "lose" the jobs of the illegals and when the economy gets better be sure to hire on legal workers???? Seems more painless to me.
One more idea, fire all illegal workers. people that currently have lost their jobs will line up to get work (with this economy maybe even at lower pay) Require new hires to have legal status. As the economy improves, pay will likely increase as well, perhaps to 1980 standards (due to higher company profits AND due to the fact that illegals will not be able to be the "low bid" labor anymore) Sure, costs of products may increase as well BUT wages have also increased so it balances out. Also, beings legal residences tend to have more ties to the US, more money will be spent locally.
shakes
Feb 19, 2009 1:44 PM
The way some of you people are so eager to destroy phreakwars financially simply because you disagree with him is pretty sickening. I don't know who he is or what business he owns, and I don't really care. I do know that he's a lot gutsier than these people who use a different name every time they post a comment -- likely they're terrified they might actually be held accountable for their thoughtless attacks.So, "wait a minute", "RU Serious" and "rural mom": Care to disclose your identities or places of business/employment? I didn't think so.
azhusker
Feb 19, 2009 3:39 PM
The more people (illegals) that go to church, the more "free will" donations. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.......sickofit
Feb 19, 2009 4:23 PM
Too late Bishops. While you've sat in your ivory towers and forced the illegal criminals down our throats by granting them sanctuary, the bashlash has happened. You are a joke! We're in the midst of the worse economical times since the Great Depression and you expect the "English speakers" (because we don't want to sound racist and say WHITE PEOPLE) to be charitable to these criminals? Yes, dear Bishops, CRIMINALS! Christ said, "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's". That means follow the laws of the land. There is nothing diabolical about our immigration laws. I advise you to stop trying to make the US a 3rd world nation that you can control from Rome.R.U. Serious
Feb 19, 2009 5:17 PM
Phreakwars is continually allowed to post his hateful comments on this board, when other comments that are no where near as bad do not make it on the board. (Will this one???) He can repeatedly call people bums when he has no idea who he is talking to. FWIW, I have no business to disguise, however if I did, I know I would be smart enough to keep it to myself, and not align my business with ridiculous statements similar to those of phrekwars. Shakes, I noticed you didn't post yours name either. Big talk from internet tough guys, always a laugh. Also, agree completely with AZHusker and sickofit.Christian Sirname Catholic
Feb 19, 2009 5:28 PM
To azhusker: care to explain what exactly u mean by ur use of the term " "free will" "? To sickofit: i don't even kno how to reply to that, next time, try arguing w/ us instead of ranting.
phreakwars
Feb 19, 2009 5:34 PM
Ya know, that's the way it always goes in the comment section. I give an opinion and instead of trying to rebut me, people instead attack me personally. Sure go ahead, slam me, just shows you have nothing relevant to toss back as a rebuttal. Don't hate me for being honest. It's bad enough some of you are so low that you'll even slam the Catholic church. I might be a Deist who doesn't practice revealed religion, but even I wouldn't stoop so low. Such hateful people in this world... Hateful about things they could easily solve themselves with a little bit of hard work and ethics. I guess I'm the bad guy though because I believe people, no matter where they are from should be treated like human beings. I guess others don't see it that way, so that makes me and my "class" inferior. Makes me glad this country is being over run with legal and illegal immigrants. I look forward to the day when white's are the minority who get persecuted by the blacks and hispanics. I say what comes around goes around. Whites are slowly becoming the minority because they have too much pride to even admit how lazy they really are. It's just so much easier to take another human being who is not in your "class" and call them a criminal and blame them for an economic situation caused by lazy people. Sure people will go back to the packing houses one day... when all the factory jobs are dwindling away and house payments start getting behind and they start to suffer... It's pretty sad that's what it takes for people to get off their duffs and work for America instead of putting these places in a position where they basically have no choice but hire immigrants... legal or not. You all like your McDonalds cheese burgers don't ya, get rid of those laborers and replace them with whites who expect this and that benefit, and then see how much that value meal is gonna cost you. Instead of making personal attacks on me, people should thank me for being so bold as to point out the real problem without fear of repercussion. Keep ranting on your petty threats of "NOT DOING BUSINESS WITH ME", I could use a good laugh. How about threating me with something like "HEY PHREAK, IF YOU DON'T SHUT UP, I SWEAR I'M GONNA SEND MY 18 YEAR OLD SON TO THE PACK AND MAKE HIM WORK JUST TO SHOW HOW FULL OF IT YOU ARE"... Nope, that won't happen though, it's just easier to attack me personally then prove my opinion is incorrect.
R.U. Serious
Feb 19, 2009 6:04 PM
The ONLY thing you have proven, is that you make a lot of noise and apparently spend too much time on the internet. Your opinion about whites (or any other non-mexican) is just wrong, and based in fear, not fact. Your thinly veiled threats are humorous, and will likely come back to bite you in the backside. THIS is and will be my last comment on you, and your affliction, do you EVER have a thought you don't feel the need to share with the world??? Better the world think you a fool, than to constantly prove them right.Label Maker
Feb 19, 2009 6:25 PM
R.U.Serious is correct. My comment was not posted by the Telegram yesterday. It was no where near as inflammatory as Phreakwars.Regarding all the blogs and posts by Phreakwars, I am not going to scratch the surface of all you have written. However, your statement "Such hateful people in this world...I guess I'm the bad guy though because I believe people, no matter where they are from should be treated like human beings" probably does not jive with what you have written on Brownpride.
To the Telegram employee who wants to delete this post, search for brownpride+phreakwars+kentucky, and see how wonderful he can be.
I am serious
Feb 19, 2009 7:21 PM
Adding to the end of R U Serious's response; it is better to remain silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. I would agree with you phreaky but then we would both be wrong. It is in writing, you cannot accuse anyone of putting words in your mouth that you did not say.
phreakwars
Feb 19, 2009 9:01 PM
Yes, maybe I should retract a bit, I have no tolerance for the intolerant. If you want to be hated by me, be a hateful person. I have no care in the world for those who show such spitefulness towards people. Kentucky redneck are no exception. And where are my comments here insulting people? Because I call some lazy? 7.2% unemployment nationwide, yet packing houses need to fill positions immediately, yet nobody can find a job? If it isn't laziness what is it? How about a total boycott of everything handled by illegal workers? Don't buy meat any more, don't buy fruit anymore. Hell, just don't buy food period. Show those evil corporate guys your not gonna stand for this alleged burden of illegal aliens bringing your country down. Send your kids to Texas like my low class hispanic dad did to us and make them work the fields. Call my comments racist, fine, but hey, I learned it from watching YOU. I learned it from having to put up with bigots and racists all my life just because of my last name. Didn't matter that I myself am white as hell, or that my mom and all my relatives are white. It doesn't matter that my white Catholic grandpa fought in WWII for this country, and worked at John Morrell almost all of his life and also taught me the meaning of a hard days work. The only thing that has ever mattered to anybody here in Nebraska, and states like Kentucky is the color of your skin and the language you speak. Being white and Hispanic I've been on both sides of the fence. Heard the ridicule made about people who are just making a damn living, and got ridicule just the same from those who would rather judge my genes then me as an individual, ridicule from those who would rather judge my family because of where they came from.
You know, I have a pretty good idea why my alleged insults are being posted while others aren't... because I am not targeting any individual person at all. I'm targeting all of America. Sorry to spew an inconvenient truth, but the fact of the matter is, Americans are so high and mighty, their too blind to see their classist attitude is what is creating the problems with illegal immigration. There is only one solution that I can think of to end that classism, and that would be the eugenic gene splicing that's been happening for decades in America by immigrants. Personally, I'll be glad when the white class has been phased out. There is no REAL culture in America to be proud of unless it was a culture stolen from somewhere else... but then that's to be expected from a country that stole it's land in the first place. Stolen from not only Indians, but MEXICANS. Is that the country I was raised to be proud of? A melting pot of P'd off whites who can never accept anyone but their own kind? When I was growing up, many times I hated myself for the genes I was given because of the bigoted people like you who now dare call me a racist. I was born in Iowa, my dad (yep, he came into the country illegally) raised me to work and work and work. He stood there beside all those white guys out at Spencer beef for 20 some years, we were actually the first Hispanic family to move to Schuyler. He stood there all those years, got along fine with all the guys, worked double shifts constantly to feed us all. And when I turned 18, I did the same for many years myself. After many years, I looked back at all the bigots who slammed me for who I am and I had to ask the question... why are YOU better then ME? When I realized the only reason people thought as much was because of my gene's right there I knew I was no longer ashamed of being part Hispanic... I was more ashamed of being white skinned. It meant if I felt I wanted to fit in to what white America sees as the ideal citizen, I needed to be hateful as well. The way I see it now, I actually have people I can look up to in the Hispanic community. They have a better following in the words of Jesus. I might not practice religion, but I still have respect for the Catholic principals which have guided me in life. Oddly enough, principals that don't get taught in white churchs... then again, maybe they do and people just don't listen.
How about striking some of the commentary on here that I MYSELF find insulting?
Slam me all you want, but all this religion slamming is down right disgusting.
Call me a racist, sure, I can agree with that. That's what happens when your raised around a racist community.
Whoa There Mr. High And Mighty
Feb 19, 2009 10:06 PM
You know Phreak, you really shouldn't go back to damn far in your hatred of whites and claiming they stole the land from Mexicans. First off any land gained from Mexicans was by kicking their asses and claiming spoils of war. Second, your Mexican/Spanish ancestors did more genocide when they arrived in the "New World" than the Anglo Europeans did. They wiped out and enslaved millions of native people from South America to the US South West.
Anglo Europeans were late to the genocide party in the Americas.
To claim that Americans "classist attitude" caused the illegal intrusion is ridiculous. Just because the US that was created long after Mexico and Central America was "conquered" by your ancestors, was able to come together to become a prosperous nation while your ilk were still fighting amongst each other over this and that, and the corruption and infighting created the cesspool that they have for a society, driving people to try to come to a better place, doesn't make it the fault of the Americans.
The only thing Americans did to "cause" the illegal invasion is being successful where your ancestors couldn't.
Look at Mexico and much of Central America even today.
Even with a head start and abundant natural resources they couldn't make it work.
sickofit
Feb 20, 2009 6:22 AM
To Christian Sirname Catholic,Of course you don't know how to reply to my argument. Because you know I'm right. That wasn't a rant, it was a statement of fact. Don't like, tough! It is what it is. If we listen to the Bishops, we're going to be in the same boat as California. Bankrupt.
Oh, and that tired old argument about the immigrants taking jobs that white folk don't want anymore...wrong again! The white people were forced out of their jobs through wage concessions. And furthermore, the immigrants were quickly taught to supplement their incomes through our social programs, i.e. WIC, Food Stamps etc. So that blows your argument of living on the wages paid, Phreak of Gambino's Pizza.
The reality
Feb 20, 2009 7:15 AM
Heres something to chew on without any personal attacks...The majority of illegals will WILLINGLY work for pennies on the dollar, and work hard for it. The majority of legal workers will NOT willingly work for low wages because they KNOW that they are being taken advantage of.
Corporate facilities have all taken the approach of hiring illegals because they can widen their profit margin while remaining competitive.
An idea, force corporate america to hire within the law. This will make more jobs available to those that are more vested in the community, improving the standard of living for everyone by keeping the money locally, instead of it getting sent to another country.
Stop Racism
Feb 20, 2009 9:49 AM
This is so sad. I understand that it is so hard to be color blind. It is hard for most anyone. But where does it get us? Absolutely no where. Just more hatred and loathing of others. For those of you who believe in God, just remember he created us to the likeness of Himself. I am not any where near perfect but I do try as hard as I can to be colorblind. I can't believe the personal attacks some of you are posting. How is this going to solve the immigration matter? Maybe you should organize a tag team boxing match and beat the anger out of each other. You could even charge admission.
Phreak Wars, you of all people should try to bring people together, not put up a fence.
As far as the religion issue, I never discuss it. Every faith has it's own traditions and they vary. There is no point in discussing a losing argument.
robg
Feb 20, 2009 10:38 AM
At least Phreakwars admits to his racism. Do not even take his hate seriously people just move on!Label Maker
Feb 20, 2009 7:20 PM
I see this article has been sent to the archives already. Hmm...that was unusually quick.Anyway Phreakwars, you wonder out loud how you were insulting. Try "Don't complain to me your race is so lazy they want the government to get rid of the people who will do their jobs."
Alleged insults? How about "Whites are slowly becoming the minority because they have too much pride to even admit how lazy they really are." And now you claim to only call some whites lazy. Your tune keeps changing.
I have no time or willingness to look at your 464 posts on Brown Pride, but I now publicly wonder what else you wrote that you need to retract a bit. Let's not revisit your "I guess I'm the bad guy" schtick.
As for my posts that were not allowed, I did not insult individuals. In fact they were in defense of whites. I will not even start it again, because apparently standing up for decent, hardworking, white people will cause deletions.
Now to keep Phreakwars from being disappointed, a personal attack on you. Paragraph more! Do you have any idea how difficult it is to read your long posts? Publishers and writers paragraph for good reason.
Christian Sirname Catholic
Feb 23, 2009 6:17 PM
To sickofit: So, we listen to the Bishops and we will end up bankrupt, eh? how is a little matter such as this going to bring down a church that has stood for over 2,000 years? (whereas CA and the rest of the US is on the verge of ruin after only a few hundred?) and might i remind you, in the way of the country being bankrupt, i would say that the government will have more control (or lack thereof) in that matter than the Bishops will. Sounds to me like some situation in your life having to do w/ the Catholic Church left you with a bad taste in your mouth. Swallow it up or spit it out, then maybe again try explaining what ur trying to say w/ a legitimate thought process, backed w/ facts...not an extremely angered, ambiguous response.To everyone else: take off ur blinders and realize that we are talking about people here. The Bishops are just trying to express that these people, legal or otherwise, still have basic unalienable rights (now where have we heard this before?) white, black, brown, red, yellow, purple, or orange, we all are entitled to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. who are you people to take it from them? they're only trying to do good for their families, and in their position, i wouldn't doubt that i would do the same thing.

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