COLUMBUS — Jail inmates shipped to Platte County because of overcrowding at other county lockups around the state know ahead of time their trip to Columbus could be a one-way ticket.
The county has no legal obligation to give out-of-county inmates housed in Columbus a ride home when their term expires, Platte County Sheriff Jon Zavadil said while explaining his department’s policy on the release of prisoners.
“We never make a special trip (to give inmates a ride home prior to their release date),’’ Zavadil said. “If we did, that’s all we’d be doing.”
The sheriff said giving out-of-county inmates a lift home when their time is up -- considering personnel, vehicle and fuel expenses -- would be cost prohibitive for the county.
Out-of-county inmates learn early on after their transfer to Columbus that getting home when their jail term expires might be up to them. Their sentencing county informs them they will not be picked up unless space becomes available before their release.
Platte County transferred inmates to other counties because of crowding before the 2003 opening of the 137-bed Platte County Detention Facility.
The $7.5 million jail was designed to fulfill Platte County’s needs at the end of the facility’s 25-year life span, with the extra beds being filled by outside prisoners that would generate increased revenues in the early years.
Platte County has had agreements with nearly two dozen counties to accept inmates from jurisdictions throughout eastern Nebraska. The outside counties have included Antelope, Butler, Cedar, Colfax, Cuming, Dakota, Dodge, Douglas, Hall, Holt, Lancaster, Madison, Merrick, Nance, Pierce, Polk, Sarpy, Saunders, Seward and Stanton.
Zavadil has been challenged in court on his department’s policy of not providing inmates with a ride home.
Columbus attorney Clark Grant challenged the policy a few years ago on behalf of a local inmate whose jail term expired while he was in custody in Lexington because of local jail overcrowding.
The Dawson County community is about 150 miles west of Columbus.
Although he was a little fuzzy on the details of the legal challenge he mounted on behalf of his client at the time, Grant said he generally criticized the “unfairness” of transferring an inmate so far from his sentencing county with no provision for him getting back.
Platte County Judge Frank Skorupa ruled in the case that state law specifically provided for the transfer of inmates to another jail facility because of overcrowding, but made no provision for their return.
The inmate’s family, Clark said, eventually scraped together enough money for a bus ticket to get their family member home to Columbus.
The issue of providing released out-of-county inmates with a ride home came to light this week with concerns raised by a current Gage County inmate serving out a 25-day sentence for disorderly conduct.
“This letter is in regards to the release procedure (or lack of procedure) for all out-of-county inmates,’’ wrote Gage County inmate Troy Peirce from the Platte County facility.
Gage County officials said the county also maintains a policy of not providing inmates with transportation home.
“We are transferred here and through written correspondence are told that we will only be picked up by our sentencing county if room becomes available. Otherwise, we are to make our own arrangements,’’ wrote Peirce, adding that he has made transportation arrangements for a ride home to Lincoln when he is released today.
Peirce said other current inmates are slated to be released into the community with no money or transportation home, some without even a winter coat.
Zavadil doesn’t think inmates having to make their own travel arrangements upon release is that much of a hardship.
Family members and friends have no trouble traveling to Columbus to visit inmates, the sheriff said. “We aren’t going to throw somebody out (who was arrested in July and released in December) in shorts and a T-shirt.”
Jail officials tell inmates being released without transportation arrangements that help could be available at the Columbus Rescue Mission. The mission averages a phone call a week from inmates who find themselves in that predicament.
“We pick them up and bring them here to the mission and start trying to make arrangements,’’ said Chaplain Ted Pearson, noting that inmates’ family relationships are often frayed by their involvement with drugs and alcohol.
Pearson said the mission will try to arrange “spot jobs’’ for inmates to buy bus tickets home and allow them to use mission cell phones to make travel arrangements.
Mission personnel call around locally to see if someone is driving to Omaha or Lincoln and can offer an inmate a ride. They’ve also met an inmate’s family halfway to their home destination.
“I can’t think of anybody we’ve left to walk,’’ Pearson said.
No free rides for transfers
By Jim Osborn josborn@columbustelegram.com
Sunday, Dec 21, 2008 - 01:23:16 am CST
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Informed
Dec 21, 2008 10:09 AM
Very good story. I didn't know that was happening, and never thought about it.Âşrob g
Dec 21, 2008 10:23 AM
With so many things that are wrong for so many people, I think this one minor hardship for a few inmates does not warrent our sympothy. I will say that they should not be released into the elements without warm clothing(give them a ride to the nearest goodwill), but other than that, there are more important things to lose sleep over! I am sure they will make it home somehow without costing the taxpayer anymore money.paulcan
Dec 21, 2008 10:36 AM
Just another example of people expecting the government to do something they, with the help of friends and family, could well do themselves.Realist
Dec 21, 2008 11:49 AM
This is no surprise at all that you would have this respeonse. It is the same with anything, until you personally have experienced this or someone in your family or close friend you will remain close minded and have a bigot attitude. I know that you will also feel the same about anyone who has a problem with alcohol, drugs, or anthign like that. They should not be treated like kings but it is sad how you treat them.C
Dec 21, 2008 4:59 PM
I AGREE WITH THIS ARTICLE. IT IS NOT THE TAXPAYERS RESPONSILBITY TO MAKE SURE THESE INMATES GET HOME. THEY GOT THEMSELVES IN JAIL FOR BREAKING THE LAW THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE PRIVILAGES OF TAX PAYERS MONEY TO GET THEM HOME. THAT SHOULD EITHER BE THERE FAMILY TO DO THAT OR THEM SELFS. I KNOW THE MISSION IN COLUMBUS IS REAL GOOD ON HELPING PEOPLE TO.rob g
Dec 21, 2008 5:22 PM
How can someone who calls themself a "realist" get so dramatical about such a minor detail. You act like they have to walk home through the moutains and 10 ft of snow with no shoes. Zavidal is the best public or elected official we have and he is showing the common sense that he always has!cry me a river
Dec 21, 2008 6:09 PM
oh well, maybe the idiots should think 2 times before they decide to do something against the law then. you do the crime you pay the fine. In this case it's their own ride home. I don't go to the grocery store and get groceries thinking someone else should give me a ride when i am done. cry a river.hmmmjust thinking
Dec 21, 2008 6:45 PM
to Realist,, the buck,thankfully has stopped here. The responses made so far, other then yours, have been reasonable. As long as these people are offered assistance of some sorts, all be it the mission, they are not being throwed out in the cold. Obviously these individuals didn't give a rats a## about a ride home when they committed the crime that got them where they are. What galls me is the fact that "some" of the people that go through the system,who seem not to have the money for their child support, pay their fines, pay for the gas they drove off without paying for etc,, always have money for their cigarettes, beer, drugs etc. I have no sympathy, as stated by another, don't do the crime and you won't have to worry about a ride home. Now if our federal goverment would start thinking and enforcing these same type thoughts and procedures, look at the money they would be saving.octofoil
Dec 21, 2008 8:09 PM
I am not for giving them anything, it is supposed to be punishment for them, not me. I can understand why the county of origin doesn't want them back. But, I would think we would be doing ourselves a favor by getting them out of here. Why would we want to release them in the streets of Columbus? Charge the county of origin for the ride to their jail to be released.wtb
Dec 21, 2008 8:51 PM
Realistthis country doesnt help the struggling honest person who has done everything right and live by the laws, and were closed minded about the criminals.
u walk
Dec 21, 2008 11:46 PM
i read through everyones comments. Not everyone in jail is a bad person nor do they deserve to be treated that way! Yes they chose to commit a crime, but how many of you have always left your car at the bar when you've had too much? DUI can happen to anyone or is eveyone who commented on this article a perfect law abiding citzen? If they are transfered from another jail it should be that jails responsibility to return them! There is no excuse to leave someone in another town! Everyones so quick to judge take a look at yourself, your family, & friends. It could be them in this situation" O but wait" they deserve it because they commited a crime right?Bill
Dec 22, 2008 9:35 AM
U walk - a DUI rarely results in a transfer to an out of town facility. You spend the night and then go home. If you are sent to another facility for a DUI offense it means you've been sentenced to a term less then 365 days, and this is probably not your first offense.Heres a thought
Dec 22, 2008 9:39 AM
For those of you who feel they should be given a ride, you can contact the mission and see how you can help. Perhaps you can donate some time and take them home, donate a bus ticket, or send money to their friends/family so they can get them. Rather than complain about the legal policy, see how you can help. We are all so quick to complain but so slow to help others. Our Sheriff is saving us money - do you really want the taxes to go up if we provide rides for all the inmates Platte county houses for other counties? I don't. I'll just continue making charitable (tax deductible) donations.Kelli
Dec 22, 2008 11:16 AM
Well all I have to say is if you do a crime do your time and deal with the consequences and if you don't like the consequences then DON"T DO THE CRIME!Cacher
Dec 22, 2008 12:16 PM
I think wtb said it best. We don't do a thing to help those that are hard working, trying to make ends meet, OBEYING THE LAW and doing the right thing. Then why should we feel sympathetic for those who make the CONSIOUS decision to break the laws. Don't get me wrong, I feel for those who have a addiction to drugs or alcohol, however, this again was a CONSIOUS decision they made to get hooked on these things. I have had members of my own family as well as friends who have had issues with both and while I felt for them and would do what I could to help them out to a point, I also kept the attitude that they made this situation and they should make every effort to get out of it on their own. Years back spending some time in jail was viewed as the worst thing in the world that could happen to you, well there are a lot worst things in today's world than that. If they need to make arrangements to get themselves back to where they came from before THEY BROKE THE LAW, then so be it!!! The taxpayers money was spent to support them while incarcerated, it shouldn't have to be spent as a taxi service after they are released!!!!I DO NOT OWE YOU A FREE LUNCH OR RIDE
Dec 22, 2008 1:13 PM
to U Walk: sounds like you have been through that scenario. If you can't get a drive home or have someone to drive you home, don't drive somewhere and then drink. RESPONSIBILITY-too bad there are too few who know the meaning of it anymore but almost all of the people who have posted here thus far appear to as do I!
Pay for Your Stay
Dec 22, 2008 1:56 PM
I think the day's of free room and board should go away. The inmate's should be paying for thier keep in some way or form. They should not be allowed to spend thier time in jail idling though their stay. They need to up the dime if they do the time. No free ride for anything.Realist
Dec 22, 2008 7:33 PM
Again, it is said in these statements. You all will have this type of attitude until something like this happens to you or someone very close. Then you will all drop the idea that there should be something offered to them because we are taxpayers!! Cant wait to hear your responses once this happens to you personally!!! Realist in me is a person who has common sense but also knows how things really go. I expected this response. Again, cant wait until I see all your names in the sentencing part of the paper and you have to spend your time in the jail!! Better yet, you have to be transfered to a different jail and you have no money to get a ride back, then your family will complain and think that it is a travisty! I am just being honest and real!!M
Dec 22, 2008 9:03 PM
It's a hardship for the inmates and their families, but the county doesn't "owe" them transportation anywhere. The government can't do everything, ppl have to help themselves and learn to be more independent.C
Dec 22, 2008 9:41 PM
this is to reallist. i have a son in jail. yes he did the crime and he is paying for the crime. has a parent or a family and a christian. it is are responibility to pick him up. and pray that the stay jail well have helped him in jail. when the jail was built they offered to help other counties. but that doesn't mean that it is are responsibility to get them back home. i do agree that the system should have something for the people that go to jail to do. either better themselves or work for there stay. there is alot of people in this town that all they do is talk and complain. we need people to stand and help are community. example like put a library in jail. or help kids so maybe they won't end up in jail.what if.
Dec 22, 2008 9:58 PM
I'm not wanting to pay more in taxes to have inmates get rides home but i feel if other county's dont have room to put an inmate that when they do sentencing they should add a transporting fee included with the court costs and fines that way the inmate is actually paying his way their and back and then nobody is affected except for the person that put him/her in that position.jeff
Dec 22, 2008 10:29 PM
Geez Realist...It is not as though we are not giving people first class tickets back to New Guinea. They are most likely from the surrounding areas, and if they are not, well too bad. It is absolutely their responsiblilty to look for means to find a way home. It will give them a little bit more time to think about why they are in jail and reflect a bit more on why they want to stay out. Did you think they deserved some sort of parting gifts?The_SnowMan710
Dec 22, 2008 11:49 PM
the way i see it, the economy has gone to crap and jobs are hard to find. i'd be better off committing some crime and get a free ride for the next couple of years. sure must be rough, free food, free medical care, free roof over my head...and all i have to do is think of a way home in the next couple of years...nothing like getting it all on a silver platter, eh? spare me.
realy a realist
Dec 23, 2008 3:54 AM
just some thoughts... this is done because of over crowding and Zavadil said returning prisoners would be costprohibitive. I would assume that means it happens frequently. I believe they
wouldn't transfer a prisoner with a short sentence, only the ones with significantly longer sentences. Why don't they , when one's time is close to being up, transfer them back when and if they have another prisoner transfer. It would take some planning, but it could be done. To me, it is disturbing that our jails are over crowded. They don't go to jail for petty
crimes and as you have seen in our own county how many are plea bargained. How many are drug related and how many are not? Have you ever been a victim of a
crime? It's not pleasant, even for a petty crime. If you have been a victim,
have you been completely compensated for
if the criminal is caught. How many have been victims and the criminal never caught? How many of these transferred criminals were caught and
convicted on their first crime or have a
previuos criminal history? Why would we
want to release transferred criminals in
our town and tell them to find their own
way home? How do you suppose they will try to get home if their freinds or family will not take the time to come get them and no one else would help them? Thank God for the city mission!! I know I paint an ugly picture, but we as a society can change it if we work together.
Realist
Dec 23, 2008 5:33 AM
Ok, I am a product of the system. I did my time and lots of it. I have seen and been a part of both sides so I can tell you first hand. I have drastically changed my life around and it just makes me laugh at this "holier than thou" attitude all of you have. The bottom line is that I am not saying that they need to be picked up in a limo and taken back to their hometown, all I am saying is that each person incarserated has basic rights. That does include the being able to be sent back to their original county where they were sentenced. If you are at the state pen, when you are released you are given a bus pass to get to where you need to go. Heck, many of you that are posting (EXCLUDING ME) now were and still are against the Rescue Mission from the start. My point is that you all seem to have a hypocritical attitude because until this happens to you, your attitude will be the same no matter what because of the attitude that "It could not happen to me or any of my loved ones and/or friends!" It is hard for any of you to hear because noone wants to deal with it. I sure would rather take that 11000.0 that is going to that stupid picture and put it towards the jail or better yet go to the Rescue Mission! I see noone on this post giving Thanks to the Rescue Mission for what they are doing. Oh Yeah, it is expected of them but many voted against them from the beginning. Funny how hypocritical all are! Just funny. How about all you posters donate a couple hours of your time to get a different perspective. Not all people who have gone through the system are bad and they do turn their lives around. It may take longer then some and I should know becaue many of you ridiculed me and now I am a college grad, very sucessful, family man and rich in faith and life. Better than most and I also have the compasion, honesty, reality, and knowing of more than many on here. Hypocritical!!To Realist
Dec 23, 2008 7:42 AM
As per your perspective, since it appears many posting here lead very different lives than you (and use spell check - college grad aeh?) I believe it is called "not being able to see the forest for the trees".rob g
Dec 23, 2008 9:24 AM
Obviously from my previous comments I do not agree with realist but to attack grammar in a blog is pretty sad. Whether you agreee with him or not his comments are very clear and well understood. All of you English teachers on break go back to class!Realist
Dec 23, 2008 9:51 AM
Could you please enlighten me on your "phrase" as well as please spell correctly the words that I messed up on. It would be much appreciated and yes we all lead different lives but values and nonjudgemental attitudes should be the cornerstones and staples of what every normal family should teach their children and so forth down the line. Pretty simple concept!enough already
Dec 23, 2008 10:30 AM
Hey Realist, etal; I have had someone close to me in prison twice for doing what he should not have (same thing both times). I felt no sympathy for him then and would not now if he did it again but thank goodness after going there twice, he seems to have learned his lesson. Maybe having to find your own ride home from jail would help deter them from doing it again. Also teach them something about having to do things for themselves (instead of doing them to others which sent them to jail in the first place).
No more of the Poor Pitiful Pearl stuff; simply put, if you do not want to have to worry about getting getting yourself home from jail (almost laughable isn't it!), then don't do anything to land you there in the first place!!
Tarnished Halo
Dec 23, 2008 10:30 AM
Well Realist, I guess the majority of the posters here don't mind having these "criminals" stay in Columbus when they are released for TIME SERVED. I guess I don't lead a perfect life like the holier than thou do. I have been arrested for DUI. It has been almost three years ago. Before that, not even a speeding ticket since 1999. I had made a terrible mistake and don't ever want to go through that sort of thing again. The people transfered did not have a choice in the matter and I would think that the county they came from should provide transportation for those who need a ride home. Hope none of you find yourself stranded in a place where you know no one. They may judge you like you judge others. Do unto others baby.To Realist
Dec 23, 2008 11:59 AM
OK you asked. Here they are in order of error. incarserated, sucessful, becaue compasion transfered travisty! respeonse anthign. As per the phrase? You say you are a college grad. So from one college grad to another - figure it out - it is not an obscure phrase.Nuff said here I really do have other things to be doing on this wonderful day off.
Tata
Realist Zealist
Dec 23, 2008 12:13 PM
Obscure Defined:1 a:shrouded in or hidden by darkness c: not clearly seen or easily distinguished
2: not readily understood or clearly expressed
3: relatively unknown: as a: remote
synonyms obscure , dark , vague , enigmatic , cryptic , ambiguous , equivocal mean not clearly understandable. obscure implies a hiding or veiling of meaning through some inadequacy of expression or withholding of full knowledge
Swooooshhhh...
Dec 23, 2008 12:30 PM
The county should build a big honkin'sling-shot and provide airfare to those
needing a ride home. The initial cost would be minimal and the rest of the
inmates would have something to watch
for entertainment.
Realist
Dec 23, 2008 12:37 PM
If you have so much to do then don't respond. I am sticking up for what is common sense. I must admit that there are many mistakes on my spelling and I appreciate you pointing them out to me. But, you would aggree that spellcheck has allowed all of us to become lazy on our spelling and so I am trying to go back to the old ways and not rely on spellcheck. Not lazy, but I do now see how narrow minded you are and that you would be a person who carries the attitude of no understanding with this article. To another post, I learned my lesson by way of sitting in a jail cell on my cot and saying enough is enough. I am very glad that the judges and prosecutors in my cases put me away for a long time. It was beneficial and I would not trade it for the world. With that being said, I also experienced many negative attitudes about me because of my past by people like these as well as peole in the community from police, corrections, business, etc. I am a way better man and have a way better perspective on life because of that! I just wish that all of you negative posters could have the same and think outside the narrow old fashioned lebeled box. I do have better things to do but I also believe that if you believe in something then voice your opinion and stick up for your beliefs as well as volunteer as an advocate for your beliefs. I do both!!!Tarnished Halo
Dec 23, 2008 3:44 PM
Do you realize that taxpayers pay for transportation for juveniles? Just ask the Office of Juvenile Services. Children who are constantly getting into trouble or ones who end up at the juvenile detention center have what is called an evaluation. There is a pysch evaluation done by a therapist and a general physical by a physician. The transportation is paid by the State of Nebraska. Medicaid pays for the evaluations. The evaluations are done in Norfolk and kids come from all over the Northeast. Imagine what it costs the law abiding citizens every year. Even better, they will even pick up the parents and give them a ride to the evaluation. So, you may not pay for tranportation to those who are released from jail, but you are always paying for something in some way, shape or form. On a happier note, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. May God bless & keep you.
Deputy Barney Fife
Dec 23, 2008 4:17 PM
While I do agree that released inmates should find their own way home, I also do not want them homeless in Columbus. It is just another stepping stone for crime rates to rise. I do not have enough data to say how bad this is. How many people on average are being released each week, month?Cacher
Dec 23, 2008 4:45 PM
To Realist,First, you lash out at others that don't share your views and yet you state they are acting "Holier than Thou". By you lashing out, isn't that amounting to the same thing?
Second, in my post I've mentioned that I have had friends and family members both that have had run ins with the law. I myself (Thank Goodness) have never had to experience the Judaical system from the wrong side. Had I, I would not expect someone (taxpayers) to foot every part of my bill regarding my incarceration as they more than likely already absorbed 99% of it. Know I know you have the view of, just wait until you experience it yourself, but that's what I think most here are getting at. The old saying, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime, this includes everything from the committing the illegal act until you are home!! I don't think this viewpoint makes anyone holier than thou, just sick of paying taxes for these type of things.
In college when I was taking a civics class and having some one on one time with a trial judge, he stated off the record that now days their are more laws protecting those who break the laws than those who obey them. It is these are the types of things that I think have spurred many of the comments here. Does that make everyone again holier than thou, I think not, just sick of the way our judicial system has handled things over the years!
You and I do agree 100% on one thing you mentioned. The $11000.00 for the picture could be better spent!!
With that I would like to wish everyone a Merry Christmas and a Safe & Happy New Year!!
Realist
Dec 23, 2008 7:20 PM
For the record, I am not asking for anyone and that includes me to foot any bill for people who are incarcerated. I did the time because I deserved it completely! I again am a better man for what I have gone thru. I am saying that it is very sad that we persecute these offenders and that they should simply walk and on their own. That is not fair because if we don't at least get them back to their original destination, where do they go from there. What if the place they are transported to does not have a rescue mission. You all seem to just have the attitude of throwing them out on the streets and if they die then they do. What will most likely happen is that there will be a huge increase in hitchhikers on major highways, arrest rates will go up, recidivsim rate goes up, and crime in general goes up. At least give them the choice to start over and stay at the detention center they were sent to because they may want to turn a new leaf or give them a way to get back to their original destination because they at least have a place to go where there is a good chance to have a roof over their head as well as a good opportunity for employment or able to be guided to employment! Again, think outside the box instead of just not caring and throwing them out. Careful for what you wish for and you will not know for sure what it is like until you have been through their shoes. If any of you met me, you would not even think that I was a criminal and when you did find out, would you treat me like the words you use on these posts. Not all change and some take longer to change. Funny how none has mentioned anything about volunteering to get a real idea to see if your words truely follow your acusations.hmmmjust thinking
Dec 23, 2008 9:01 PM
Realist,I truly can't understand why you have your panties in such a bunch.
Do you think just because this is the first this has been in print i.e the paper, that the issues of these people finding their own rides has just now started? Wrong. Several agencies have been following this procedure for a couple of years. Platte County does not offer rides into town, never have. Did or have you seen a rise in the hitchhikers in the years since the facility opened? Don't think so. Has there been an increase of arrests due to the fact that they have had to walk into town. No. Increase in arrests in general,, yes, but due mostly to an individuals own stupidity. You can sit there and act superior to all, but it doesn't wash. You are making way to much of a fuss to not be having a very personal issue in this. So be it. No one is perfect. And you definately are way out of line to sit there and say that no one posting has done anything to help, or volunteer . Maybe we just aren't glory hogs like yourself. It's all the ones who do it out of the kindness of their hearts and want no recognition who are the backbone of volunteer assistance. So do yourself a favor, drop it,, and at least leave with what little shred of dignity you may think you have. For someone who claims to be so college taught and proud, you truly lack in social skills. Overall the citizens in columbus are among some of the best people in the country. It is proven with all the benefits, charity drives for the ill,, helping persons who have lost their homes and belongings to fires,, etc. Do they all get on here and brag about all the time, energy, monetary, and work skills they have put forth..? No,, so get over it,, move on,,,and have a merry christmas...
smcrpntr
Dec 24, 2008 9:17 AM
Realist,If you are so concerned about these released inmates, maybe you should go out and organize with local charities and churches to come together and provide transportation for them. They could stsrt a fund to use our local taxi service or just help to pay for the mission to pick them up and bring them into town.
I have close relatives that have been incarcerated in the past but I did not feel the obligation to go out of my way to see they had a way back or a place to live. I did not turn my back on them but I have told them , as well as my own kids, "you do the crime, you do the time". In my opinion, finding there own way back is the last of their punishment for their crime.
If they are homeless the mission will help. If not they probably have already lined up a ride. Unless, they are too ashamed of what the did that got them into the facility in the first place.
If you hadn't noticed, our local crime rate is up. We have crimes being committed in this area that were never here before. I don't think that is the result of those released from jail being homeless.
It sounds to me like you are still not over being in jail or that you feel it could happen again in the future. You are making a case so you will not have to walk back to town, in that event. I could be wrong but I feel you are in the minority that feel as you do. If so, the majority normally wins.
I suggest you take your new life and enjoy. Work the charity angle to provide transportation for those that got themselves in the detention center in the first place. You seem to be doing something my ole grand dad used to call," closing the barn door after the horse got out. A bit too late.
Everyone have a Merry Christmas and a safe and Joyous New Year.
Cacher
Dec 24, 2008 3:00 PM
RealistYou just don't get it, by continuing to say things like "we don't care" and we don't "think out side the box" and the worst one "If any of you met me, you would not even think that I was a criminal and when you did find out, would you treat me like the words you use on these posts." You are the one who is coming off sounding like a hypocrite!! We understand your viewpoint, no doubt we have different ones, but by insinuating that those with different viewpoints than your are wrong or not caring you are the one who is being presumptuous. People will never agree on everything, sometimes you have to just agree to disagree!!
Merry Christmas Everyone!
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