Pit-bull ban wins unanimous approval

By Eric Freeman efreeman@columbustelegram.com
Monday, Jun 16, 2008 - 12:27:16 pm CDT

OSCEOLA — The Osceola City Council unanimously passed its proposed ban on the American Pit Bull and seven other dog breeds designated as vicious dogs at its regular meeting last week.

The change in the city’s dangerous dog/vicious dog ordinance came following the third official readings of the proposed ordinance.

The issue came to the attention of the council in March when Kent and Renee Johansen, neighbors across the street from Willie Dotson-Monroe, made an unofficial complaint at the city clerk’s office regarding Dotson-Monroe’s dog Maggie.

The Johansens are concerned about the safety of their three young children living in such close proximity to the pit bull.

“I know that specific dog has not done anything yet,” Renee Johansen said in a phone interview in May following the second reading of the ordinance.

In an e-mail statement in May the Johansens wrote: “In the past we have had a neighbor’s vicious

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dog come onto our property and terrorize our three children and two of their friends while playing in out front yard. “We, as a community should not have to fear for our lives or fear being mauled by a vicious dog when outside doing yard work, playing outside or walking or biking down the street.”

When asked to clarify their statement at that time, Kent Johansen acknowledged that the dog referred to in his e-mail is not the pit bull terrier owned by Dotson-Monroe. He said the dog referred to was a different breed.

Repeated phone calls to the Johansens following the passage of the breed ban were not returned to the Telegram in time for publication of this story.

Dotson-Monroe is the owner of Maggie, the only dog currently living within the city limits that is presumed to be on the list of banned breeds.

Osceola’s Animal Control Officer, Diana Kelly reported in May there had been no official complaints filed against Dotson-Monroe’s dog.

“We’ve never received a complaint about dog at large, barking or anything else on this dog,” Kelly said.

Dotson-Monroe had previously complied with every aspect of the city’s dangerous dog ordinance in an effort to satisfy the requirements then in effect with regard to securing his animal.

While still under the old ordinance Dotson-Monroe had purchased $100,000 worth of liability insurance, a sake and chain, leash, muzzle that complied with the ordinance then in effect. He had also installed an approved kennel and secured a permit for fencing to further enclose the kennel so that Maggie would never be outside the fence when moving from the house to the kennel.

“Tuesday night at the meeting the council told me about an change in the ordinance that was made that day that requires me to have my dog DNA tested now,” Dotson-Monroe said. “They told me that they didn’t know where I would have to go to do that, but that it will probably cost $160. I found a DNA test from the American Dog Breed Association on the Internet that only costs $52.”

Dotson-Monroe said he was told that once the ordinance has been filed, he’ll be served with a notice that requires him to respond within 10 days showing he was in the process of having the test done.

He said that at the meeting he requested reimbursement for the expenses he incurred to comply with the previous ordinance.

“The city attorney told the council they should reimburse me, but the council said no,” said Dotson-Monroe. “He (the city attorney) said he’d try to get them to agree. My costs so far are about $1,000.”

Osceola Mayor, Wendell Lindsley, a dog owner himself, responded to questions about the meeting.

“The passage of the new ordinance was unanimous,” Lindsley said. “The truth is, the ordinance is what it is. I’m a dog owner and I personally feel really bad about the fact that this occurred when there was only one dog in town that is on the list of vicious dogs. Had this been a situation where there were none or 20 of these animals in town it would have been a whole different situation.

“It’s not our intent at all to appear to be singling out one person and their dog; in fact, as a council we’ve had discussions about this before the Johansens raised their concerns.”

Lindsley said when members of the council receive a complaint or concern from any citizen in town, they have to look into the matter and address those concerns.

“If the cat and dog owners in town would just be good citizens it would go a long way to alleviate the problems we have with animals in Osceola,” Lindsley said. “The truth in this situation, is that Willie is a good citizen and a responsible dog owner. He did everything we asked of him, but it’s just that his dog is a breed that is on the vicious dog list covered by the ordinance.”

Just prior to the vote the council went into executive session for the purpose of discussing the threat of possible litigation.

“Going into executive session had nothing to do with the vote or the amendment of the proposed ordinance,” said Osceola City Attorney, Brian Beckner. “We announced before the session and after that it had been for the purpose of discussing the threat of litigation. I can’t make any further comment on that issue at this time.”

Beckner said the proposed amendment regarding the DNA requirement was added Tuesday just prior to the meeting and was discussed during the meeting.

“The DNA component of the ordinance is an optional tool that can be used by the veterinarian in determining the predominate breed of a dog that is subject to the ordinance,” Beckner said. “The reason this section was not included previously is that we just found out about it that day.”

At a glance

Osceola City Attorney Brian Beckner said the city’s breed ban ordinance is effective immediately upon publication in the newspaper of record in Polk county.

At that time the city’s animal control officer will submit an affidavit to the police department who will in turn serve notice to the owner of any dog listed as a vicious dog in the ordinance. The next steps in the process are detailed below.

n Once notice is received the dog owner will have 10 days to inform the police department in writing whether they believe their dog falls under the provisions of the ordinance.

n If the owner fails to respond within the 10 day period the dog will be presumed to be a vicious dog as defined and the owner will be cited.

n If the owner claims the dog does not fall under the provisions of the ordinance they will be ordered to bring the dog to a veterinarian who has the option to draw blood for the DNA test.

n If the veterinarian determines the dog to be a vicious dog, the owner will be cited, ordered to pay for the cost of veterinarian services and any DNA test performed.

n The police department will issue a 48 hour notice to remove the dog from the city limits.

n If the owner fails to remove the dog, the police department will impound the dog until trial on the citation is held.

n If the owner, convicted of the ordinance, continues to keep the animal in the city limits they will be subject to charges of contempt of court.

n Each day the dog is kept within the city limits will be deemed a separate offense.

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Dave Morefield
Jun 16, 2008 3:01 PM
Declaring a dog vicious based solely on its breed makes no more sense than declaring a person a criminal based on his race. In fact the American Pit Bull Terrier is highly rated by the American Temperament Testing Society. During six years as a daily volunteer at an animal shelter I found pit bulls, on the whole, to be more people-friendly than most other dogs.
Lynn
Jun 16, 2008 3:54 PM
I sure hope the Johansens don't decide they hate your dog next!

Shame on them and the lesson they have taught to their children. It is as appalling as the teacher that allowed fellow students to vote a young boy out of their class.

Dog Bless Maggie - another victim of hatred, misunderstanding and discrimination! Shame on you Osceola City!
TOW
Jun 16, 2008 4:16 PM
So Dave would let your kids play in the yard with the neighbor's pit bull? Also you said

"I found pit bulls, on the whole, to be more people-friendly than most other dogs."

So what if my kids are walking their dog, in your eyes are they still safe. Pit bulls are inter breed psycho dogs that can go from good to bad in a second. And once they bite they can't be stopped. IMO there's no need or use for that breed or the people who think they need one.
What a Joke
Jun 16, 2008 4:18 PM
This dog hasnt done a single thing wrong, not one complaint. So, the Johansens had a bad experience with another dog, what was the breed of that dog? Was it a pit bull or another on the list? Any dog can attack at any time. It's too bad that they are comparing this dog to the other dog that "terrorized" them.

It should be the city's responsibility to pay for all the things they made him buy, and now has to get rid of or move. It's sad how people, just by being who they are can get whatever they want.

If a higher income family would live there in a nice big fancy house, would they treat them the same at the Dotson's?? I doubt it.
Katy
Jun 16, 2008 4:25 PM
as a fellow pit bull owner let me just say that this ban i totally insane. the breed of the dog has nothing to do with it's nature. i dont understand how someone can take a look at a dog and just deicide it is mean. if this dog has not yet terroized your kids then why make a fuse. that would be like if you injured by someone of race and then shunned everyone else of that race. we dont put bans on people because we THINK they might be bad what makes it right to place a ban on a dog. i am so sick of hearing people complain about Pit Bulls!!! this is the most rediculous thing i have ever heard. it makes me sick to my stomach!!!
Kristie
Jun 16, 2008 4:27 PM
It is frightening that the panic and ignorance of one household can so drastically impact the rights of the residents of an entire city.

I commend the owner of this dog for going out of his way to comply with the unfair conditons placed on his right to keep his dog. He is proof that BSL only punnishes the law abiding, responsible owners. It does NOTHING to impact the owners who have reason to be held accountable.
Alison Hansen
Jun 16, 2008 4:46 PM
My own dog from a shelter is an American Pit Bull Terrier named Daisy Mae, who can be seen here: http://www.dogster.com/dogs/354737

As a certified Therapy Dog, we visit a hospice facility once a week where the 60+ residents look forward to her visits. Most have extremely advanced Alzheimers, yet many retain "Daisy" as one of their final lucid words.

Every dog should be judged by it's OWNER. Why on earth would you try to legislate over dogs? Laws are made to govern PEOPLE. Aggressive people who train or neglect their dogs into turning that way should be punished. Dogs, like children, are simply a reflection of their upbringing. Would you ban children to stop child abuse?

THINK. USE REASON.
RG PetComm
Jun 16, 2008 5:08 PM
I think proper training is absolutely necessary to help ensure a healthy environment especially for dogs disposed to problems such as Pits.

I agree that training should include positive rewards. Owners should always have treats with them while walking their dogs to reward positive behavior at the time of the act.

One way to make dog owners more responsible and to aid in training is to make taking care of their dogs as convenient as possible. For example, if an owner has poop bags readily available they will most likely be more prone to picking up after their dog(s) and if they have treats readily available they are better able to train their dogs more efficiently.

http://www.rgpetcomm.com
mollyrambo
Jun 16, 2008 5:40 PM
i have a real problem with pitbulls i don't like them i think they are dangerous and unpredicable but this type of thing goes way too far you should not ban an enitire breed that is leading down a very sliperly and dangerous slopeand, restrictions should be placed, this woman was doing all the right and responsible things and her dog is not a problem, if you decide to ban a breed you should grandfather in dogs already there who have not been a problem, i agree with dave morefield that this is like saying that just because our prisons have a larger black population then all black are criminals that is horrible and should not be stood for, this woman did the things that i have advocated for years for pitbulls, facilities that are geared to keep in even the most persistant dog escapee, large liability policy, muzzles for outside on walks and off property events, the only other thing that should be added is licensing for the person that has the dog, she even went farther and DNA'ED THE DOG, microchipping the dog so each owner is identified so if something goes wrong that the owner gets off scott-free because no one knows who the dog belongs to, this has developed into crazynesses, and i am one of those people who think that people who have these dogs and have children should have CPS INVOLVED IN THEIR LIVES IN A BIG WAY, BUT EVEN I THINK THIS IS CRAZY, AND DISCRIMINATORY, YOU NEED TO REGULATE AND MANAGE THIS NOT OUTLAW IT, THAT IS THE WRONG WAY TO GO ABOUT IT, by instuting fees and housing requirements this tries to stop the neighberhood thugs from keeping them as one they probably won't have the money or won't comply in which case the dogs are taken and destroyed and charges ar brought againse these jerks that keep this kind of unpredicable animals around just to be cool and be acting like gangsters, and idiots, but this type of banning a breed needs to stop
Tammy Townsend
Jun 16, 2008 5:42 PM
This is really upseting to me as a Pit Bull owner. Breed Specific Legislation only hurts innocent law abiding citizens. Irresponsible dog owners will continue on without adhering to the law. BSL punishes and kills innocent dogs.What is so sad is the fact that the dogs which die are dogs that have had no bite incident, never even snarled at anyone. Dogs that have never left their own yard without being leashed to a responsible owner. Why not enact "across the board dangerous dog laws" non breed specific laws?
kristy
Jun 16, 2008 6:34 PM
This is stupid, i have owned a "pit bull" for 5 years and another for 8 years prior, it is all in how you raise the dog. Mine have been around my children and neighbor kids strangers have come up and pet them with no fear. To ban a breed is like banning a race of people because one race has more violent crime statics, some of these animals are our family. Yes there are some that are vicious, but a poodle can be vicious too, How about a cat? No one has been bitten by a cat? Why not ban all pets just to save face and cover all bases. People need to realize that not all of a breed is bad, like humans.
kristy
Jun 16, 2008 6:41 PM
TO TOW, in regards to your comment about them being psycho, arent humans psycho too? A pit bull can stop biting once they bite, it is a ridiculus accusation. There is no use for someone like you who is nieve to how the animal is. So when your child bites another at school or daycare or a nieghbor kid are you going to let them ban that? Unless you have had a pit, or been around one you can not judge one. As a vet tech i have found the most vicious dog as a little ankle biting high pitched barking one, such as a yorkie or even a tea cup poodle. Until you can open your eyes and realize how stupid you sound, you cant pass judgement on them.
Joseph
Jun 16, 2008 6:45 PM
I have a pitbull. We go skateboarding and he pulls me via a harness. He loves to work hard and brings joy to my life. He has never attacked anything. That is why I will only buy pitbulls. Evil isn't it?
David Stutz
Jun 16, 2008 8:49 PM
I am in favor of enforced "dangerous dog legislation". BSL does not fall into that category. I'm saddened by that this has been enacted in your city. In my opinion, the legislation was not based on an existing "pit bull problem" but more on the concept of uninformed opinions with no desire to enact fact-based legislation. Sadly, in my opinion, the city council has failed to represent the will of the citizens that they were elected to represent. Were open town meetings held to discuss the pending legislation? If so, why the last minute changes? No "Grand-father clauses", No "first bite" sections. No legal recourse, I doubt that! Time will tell. Good luck on your re-elections.
Yazzer
Jun 16, 2008 8:58 PM
Looks like a Pit Bull lovers forum received word on this. Spam this forum to defend the dogs.
ruralbetter
Jun 16, 2008 9:21 PM
Stop comparing animals to humans! It doesn't sound intelligent.
etbmfa
Jun 16, 2008 9:44 PM
LET'S STOP CANINE RACIAL PROFILING!!! To begin with, there is no breed called "pit bull". Pit Bull was a term used for "many" breeds that were used to fight in the pits. Actually in 1989 when the AKC took the NYC Department Of Health to the Supreme Court to over-turn the Pit Bull Ban in NYC, one argument they used was, there is no such breed as pit bull. I have been involved in canine legislation for approximately 30 years and have yet to have city council members, police officer, etc. correctly identify breeds when I show them photos of various short haired dogs. Anything with short hair is identified by the media as a "pit bull".
Our laws should identify illegal activities and define the penalties associated with breaches of the law. Domesticated canines are considered personal property and present problems in society only when owned or tossed out by irresponsible people. Our laws should address irresponsible canine ownership and should never refer to specific breeds.
Breed specific legislation is an intolerable form of discrimination that has many undesirable far reaching consequences, including economic ones. Breed specific legislation is expensive and difficult to enforce; impacts people who both live in and visit jurisdictions; impacts vets, breeders, dog food manufacturers, and, in many cases, canine divisions of various law enforcement agencies. To make matters worse, canine racial profiling (breed specific legislation) is a total waste of time and money, as it will not turn irresponsible owners and breeders into responsible owners and breeders. Irresponsible canine ownership can only be prevented by addressing the problem directly: define the problem, define the penalty or penalties, and enforce the laws. Most urban jurisdictions have laws on the books now that, if enforced, would eliminate most dog aggression disasters. The best defense against dangerous dogs is a strongly enforced LEASH LAW - not outlawing a breed. The outlaws will simply ruin another breed.
Sherry
Jun 16, 2008 9:52 PM
If a city can declare a dog vicious because of its breed, can I declare a person stupid based on their membership in the Osceola city council? Seriously, the premise that DNA is any kind of indicator of temperment is ludicrous. Just because my dad's a jerk doesn't mean I am. Instead of passing ordinances that are breed-specific, how about passing some that encourage and reward responsible dog ownership of any breed? Like subsidizing good-citizen training for certain "high risk" breeds? Sponsoring a program for schools that teaches kids how to deal with strange dogs safely would be a good idea too. Instead of trying to take away basic rights, let's empower the public to do the right thing.
Heard her before
Jun 16, 2008 10:04 PM
Now what will Renee have to gripe about?!?!?!?!?! Inquiring minds want to know...
I am for this ban
Jun 16, 2008 10:29 PM
Yes, all dogs can bite but few have the ability to kill! There are thousands of breeds of dogs- I have never understood why anyone would buy an animal who has the capability to kill a child. Will it? Probably not but why even take such a chance. When is the last time you read about a poodle inflicting a lethal bite to a person? I agree 100% with this dog ban. A few months ago, a dear friend was walking her scottish terrier when as an older gentleman was walking his rotweiler. It viciously attacked the poor little dog and killed it right in front of both owners! It also bit the owner as he tried to remove it. What if they had a child present? As far as all these comparisons to people- DOGS ARE NOT PEOPLE!! If you want to own a dog that has the ability to kill- move to a farm. Others, especially children shoud not be put at risk.
gail cavanaugh
Jun 16, 2008 11:33 PM
this ban makes as much sense as requiring people of a specific race or nationality to leave town because of their 'criminal propensities'. mr. dotson-monroe has been a responsible dog owner and his dog has had no complaints against her. the only objection the johansens have been able to make is about her perceived breed.

how sad that they are teaching their children prejudice and discrimination. and even sadder -the osceola city council is enabling prejudice and is violating an individuals rights.
Leslie
Jun 16, 2008 11:40 PM
Another example of the American hysterical reaction. It isn't the breed--it's the training!
Ray John
Jun 17, 2008 12:54 AM
Truth is any dog can be vicious and this BSL is the political stance on a "perceived to be doing something" fix which for obvious reasons has proven not to work. There are cases of Labradors killing people (2 cases in Australia 2005-2006) and not ONE case of pitbull death yet the breed was banned in Australia during that year. Its crazy stuff and reminds me of a canine version of the WW2 holocaust. Treat dogs as individuals and prosecute owners if the dog has done something, not automatically persecute a breed because of the way it looks (30 years of breeding & training many types of dogs has shown me there is good and bad in all breeds)
terry pride apdt
Jun 17, 2008 1:24 AM
as a professional dog-trainer, a volunteer with resuce and shelters, and a dog-owner myself, i find this ordinance appalling.

the council ADMITS that they have had no complaints about the dog or owner; that the owner has been compliant in every way, after the PRIOR-ordinance required him to spend considerable cash; and now he and his dog are being publicly vilified, the dog as 'vicious', and the owner as harboring a dangerous animal?!

council, you are embarrassing yourselves, and i for one certainly hope that the gentleman who owns the ONLY-dog in town to satisfy the new criteria takes the city to court. not only that, i hope that he WINS, and a whopping-fine is assessed. i also hope that the court mandates that the city reimburse the pitbull-owner for all monies spent in satisfying the previous extreme-ordinance.

this is persecution, pure and simple. irresponsible-owners are a curse and a blight upon dogdom - no dog is legally liable for failing to pick-up their own stool, barking after 10-pm, expired vaccs, roaming at-large, and so on.
their OWNERS are liable.

irresponsibility needs to be prosecuted.
a BREED should not be PERSECUTED, in my professional and personal opinion.

just who bears the grudge here?
who has a personal vendetta against the man, or the dog? this reeks as badly as week-old fish on a hot-day!

holding my nose, and highly offended,
- terry pride

APDT#1827, certified Vets Assistant; member IPDTA and TDF
'change behaviors - not pets!' [tm, '85]
rob g
Jun 17, 2008 1:25 AM
There is no question that pit bulls are a more dangerous breed of dog but they can be held safely. With everything that this dog owner has done to safe guard his dog, I think the people of Osceola have more to fear from the "Gustopo" and "Secret Police", than from any dog! Next they will be burning books in the streets, what an embarrasment for a small town!
JohnK
Jun 17, 2008 4:36 AM
VICTORY!!!!

Now let's pass a law allowing on the spot euthanasia for barking dogs!
Monkey
Jun 17, 2008 5:03 AM
To answer your question "TOW", yes my kids play with a pitbull, matter of fact every chance they can get. Britney is 6 and Dylan is 9. So call me a bad parent. As for the dog that "harrassed" the Johansen's, it's come to my knowledge that the particular dog is NOT on the "vicious" dog list in the city ordinance. (i just so happen to have both of the ordinances laying beside me). However one breed of dog that is in the old ordinance but NOT in the current ordinance is WOLF or WOLF-HYBRID. Tell me, how can a non-domestic animal have more rights than a pitbull that is constantly under supervision?? Furthermore, why would the Johansen's be so upset over this pitbull when it wasn't a pitbull that harrassed them in the first place? Personally, i think the Johansen's, like the city council, is wrapped up in the media. I'll give you an example...
A day in the Life of the Media (June 9, 2006):

3 yr old boy attacked by Golden Retriever in Virginia. Reported in only two local Virginia newspapers.
3 yr old girl attacked by Labrador in Colorado. Reported four times and only in Colorado media sources.
Woman and her dog attacked by German Shepherd in Indiana. Reported in only one local Indiana newspaper.
11 yr old girl attacked by a pitbull in California. Reported in over ninety one national and international newspapers, Forbes, FOX News, Washington Post, LA Times, Chicago Tribune, and dozens of other major news organizations.
In all of these stories, the victims received serious injuries. The only difference was the breed of dog involved.
And still they tell us that they are not "singling" out one dog.
Dog Lover
Jun 17, 2008 7:55 AM
Pit bulls are good for nothing but fighting. How many have attacked and bit and maimed kids accross the country last year. Ban them forever!
Sarah
Jun 17, 2008 8:23 AM
In response to Alison Hansen's post; Alison, your post was well-written and educated. I've posted before under the name "PitBull Mom". Your Daisy Mae is gorgeous, what a beautiful, loving, intelligent and sweet representative of this beautiful, loving, intelligent and sweet breed. Thank you for all you do rescuing this vicious, vicious breed.
Interesting facts
Jun 17, 2008 8:38 AM
Here are some interesting facts on dog related deaths in the U.S.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00047723.htm

I don't think any of us is so stupid to think these are the only dangerous dogs or that all dogs of these breeds are dangerous. The reality is "pit bulls" aren't even in the top 30 of registered breeds in the country yet account for more deaths than any other breed. We all realize there are good "pit bulls" but is it worth taking the chance your neighbor has a "good one"?
cmac
Jun 17, 2008 9:00 AM
Can we spell HOLOCAUST? Ignorance runs rampant in the world, with the United States right at the top of the list. No, I don't own a APBT, but, I sure would like to have the option to own one if I wanted. Do you people who are for the ban really think these dogs are the monsters you purport them to be? That is tantamount to applying human characteristics to them - it's known as anthropomorphosis. You make it sound like they wake up every morning planning who they will 'kill' next!!!! Incredible! All of you for this breed banning nonsense, particularly the fool who is sure that they are 'inter-bred psycho dogs', get off this blog and look up what they have done in Calgary. Dog bites, on the whole, have been reduced by a whopping 90%! They have a 100% licensure rate - unheard of here! The average dog license rate hovers near 20% here in the states. No breed banning there. In fact, they are very customer oriented - the dog and dog owners being the customers. Other cities across Canada are clamoring to institute a program just like Calgary's. And lets talk about another plus, directly resulting from this program - the crime rate has taken a precipitous plunge!
Oh, for Mr. Inter-bred Psycho Dog, from a historical perspective, these dogs are part of the backbone of America. They pulled rag carts for the poor in our large cities like Boston and New York. They were owned by Presidents, by Helen Keller. And how could we forget Petie of Little Rascals fame? Do you really believe that these were dangerous dogs? I would like to submit that the United States is populated with far more dangerous inter-bred humans, thusly, the ignorance that we witness every day.
JiLL
Jun 17, 2008 9:28 AM
To all of you idiots and morons who think that this ban is good, I work at our local animal shelter, and I have had first hand experience dealing with all kinds of breeds of dogs, and from my experience the ankle biters are the ones that will bite you before any so called vicous breed! Sure they may not be able to do alot of damage, but they still ite. Should we ban them too? I can't believe that I live in a country where murdering innocent dogs is even possible. You people on here that agree with this ban cannot be a dog lover. For no one that would want a specific breed killed could ever know what it's like to love a dog. It doesn't matter to you that they may be killing a someones best friend, or a persons "child". All you care is that you can have some sort of control in other peoples lives. Banning a breed will not stop the problem! Education and proper training is the only answer.
Why don't we start banning people? There are vicious people out there, why don't we start killing them? Before long we will start banning one breed after the other, until there are no dogs left. Then will all of you haters be happy? And tow the only psyco dog that I have ever met happens to be a Chihauhau!n Dog Lover you should change your name to Dog Hater. As for JohnK you're not worth my time.
Lori
Jun 17, 2008 9:40 AM
This is in response to the so called "Dog Lover." First of all, get you facts straight. Pit bulls are great for more than just fighting. For instance the can be and are used in therapy, or for search and rescue. Not to mention the fact they can make very loyal and loving pets. Why do you think that not so long ago they were referred to as Nanny Dogs?? Check their temparament test raiting. If they are so horrible, I'd bet they would have scored a lot lower than they did. I believe their score was similiar to that of a Golden Retreiver. I would gladly accept the Pit Bull owner in this article into my town. Heck move in next door. Ans for the so called dog lover. It's people like you who should be banned for ignorance.
Paula
Jun 17, 2008 9:51 AM
I have a Stratfordshire Bull Terrior-(pit type dog) bred to be a Nanny Dog! Yes a dog to watch kids and protect them in case a wild animal such as a bear, wolf, panther or whatever comes out of the woods to bother them. She has alerted and steered my kid away from the forest often. The only thing you have to fear from her is that she can smother you when she wants to lay on you in the bed! I know a chihuahua that broke my friends toe and caused her to have stitches because it attacked her! Those small ankle biters are the ones that turn on you. Let's ban then. But let's not stop there, my kids hamsters and gerbils have been known to unpredictably bite- let's ban them too. STOP THIS STUPIDITY! ITS JUST LIKE GUNS, ON THIER OWN THEY ARE FINE BUT GET A BAD GUY BEHIND IT -TROUBLE!
Get your facts straight
Jun 17, 2008 10:30 AM
from 1982 through 2006 there were 2209 dog related falalities throughout the US and Canada. of those 1110 were from Pit bulls and Rottweillers.
Of ALL dog related injuries during those same years, 74% were from Pit Bulls and Rotweilers.
Cmon people get a clue! These type of "Macho" dogs are of NO use to society.
Service Member
Jun 17, 2008 10:32 AM
Why is that stupidity always wins and not the majority vote which is how its suppose to go.
Dog Lover
Jun 17, 2008 10:41 AM
Funny how you people compare dogs to people. There is NO comparison. How would you feel if you or your kids were seriously hurt by one of these viscious breeds of animals. Its like the lion tamer who gets killed while working who said, "oh they are just big kittys"
Bottom line is they are dangerous dogs PERIOD!
TOW
Jun 17, 2008 10:49 AM
kristy
Jun 16, 2008 6:41 PM
TO TOW, in regards to your comment about them being psycho, arent humans psycho too? A pit bull can stop biting once they bite, it is a ridiculus accusation. There is no use for someone like you who is nieve to how the animal is. So when your child bites another at school or daycare or a nieghbor kid are you going to let them ban that? Unless you have had a pit, or been around one you can not judge one. As a vet tech i have found the most vicious dog as a little ankle biting high pitched barking one, such as a yorkie or even a tea cup poodle. Until you can open your eyes and realize how stupid you sound, you cant pass judgement on them.

Ok above is a earlier post just copied for reference.....Yes there are psycho people just more reason for the death penalty, but thats not the topic here. Then you go on to compare a dog to a kid biting WHAT, my kids don't bite and never have, that would be normal to you? And yes a pit bull stopping biting would be a ridiculous thought i agree. And then all of you comparing the bite of a small dog, to the bite pressure of a dog that won't stop until what there biting is lifeless just proves the type of people who back pit bulls.
STOP CRYING
Jun 17, 2008 10:58 AM
This is funny. Most of you must be about two years old because you sound like crying little babies. I bet most of you also blame society for your faults. A family wants to protect their children and people downgrade them, classy. This forum is starting to be comedy because most of you are degenerates of society anyway, and are getting so upset about a dog.
GET A LIFE
Jun 17, 2008 11:02 AM
Poor Kristy, comparing banning Dogs to races of people. Please get out of the Vet Clinic more often. You sound silly and ignorant.
Cacher
Jun 17, 2008 11:19 AM
I have a couple of questions. I looked at the CDC information relating to dog fatality data that "Interesting facts" posted. Why is no one that supports the pit bulls disputing these facts? I've seen many here saying get your facts straight and I'm wondering why all those supporting the pit bulls aren't saying anything about that post. I don't have a dog in this race (pun intended) but from what I've seen any dog can be dangerous under the correct circumstances. I would also agree that the environment and how the dog is raised can have a lot to do with how the dog behaves. With that being said, another question to this would be why then are the number of fatalities related to pit bulls double the next closet breed which is Rottweilers? Again, just wondering about the facts surrounding this.
Support The Ban
Jun 17, 2008 11:27 AM
I applaud the city council for being proactive for once and not reactive. Not just in Nebraska but in the country alone, one child or person dying from a dog attack is one too many. I dont want to see that in Osceola or anywhere. A dog ban can't stop every attack, but it is a major step in the right direction.

I wrote before after the prior article that this is still a Federal Government issue. The states and local govt shouldnt have to be dealing with this. The federal government needs to step up and pass a national ban on all vicious dogs. That is ALL vicious dogs!!!!!!!Attacks happen all accross the country and in Nebraska all the time. It isnt just the Terrier breed either. They need to enact laws to punish the owner of a vicious dog. If you own a dog and it kills a child, the owner should be charged with first degree murder. A dog ban only scratches the surface. Severe penalties and laws against the owners need to be enacted to make dog bans work.
Unfortunately
Jun 17, 2008 11:32 AM
Pit Bulls are one of the breeds that need strong owners...not physically, mentally. (I exclude from this post pit bulls bred for fighting which have genetic traits that often make them poor pets.) However, just like other strong willed breeds, if they don't have an owner prepared for their needs, they can become unpredictable and harm others. The hard part is mandating that all owners be "good owners". Since they can't do this, they end up excluding a breed. It isn't right, I agree... another option is to exclude all but those who dogs have completed an approved obedience course (with their owner) and are given permission by the council. Unfortunately this takes more time and work, but it is a reasonable way to ensure all the problem breeds...pit bulls included, have good owners that will meet their needs and keep them from becoming dangerous.
CONCERNED
Jun 17, 2008 12:37 PM
All I can say is WOW!!!!!!
What is this world coming to?
Only one dog in the WHOLE TOWN fits the BAN?????
Doesn't this sound totally CRAZY????
Why don't they just BAN ALL DOGS IN TOWN????? Those crazy neighbors complaing should just say ALL dogs scare them.....
It says it all when the dog that scarred their children isn't even on the list.
WHAT ABOUT THAT DOG?????? It's still running around!!!!!! DUH
If I was that guy I would find out what kind of noise-roosters-anything to make THE NEIGHBORS life Miserable as poor Maggie!!!
I would suddenly love to hear heavy metal music in my front yard!!!!!!!!!!!!!ALL DAY LONG!!!!!!!!!!!
The town needs to enforce the laws they have in place. That poor guy was already 100% in complaince with all laws......Smells like law suit to me!!!!
save us
Jun 17, 2008 12:54 PM
rob g, please go back into hibernation or the police will catch you (again?)
LSB
Jun 17, 2008 1:06 PM
I will assume that those who voted on this ordinance did no research into the breeds they included. I owned a Doberman for 12 yrs who would have given his life for our children and never harmed a fly or even attempted too. I currently own 2 American Bulldogs. They are mistaken for pit bulls often, but are a totally different breed. I have always had large dogs, breeds considered by some to be vicious, and never has one hurt any of my children. My youngest daughter has a scar on her face from a dog bite, the breed that bit her was a schnauzer! Small dogs are more likely to bite, not large dogs, do the research. Dog owners are the ones who need to be punished for dog attacks. How a dog is raised shows how the dog will behave, not the breed. Any breed can be vicious, where are German Sheppards on this list? And Mastiffs? Has anyone who voted on this ever met a Mastiff? yes they are large dogs, but very loving and docile. Get your facts before you vote. And just because one person complained that the dog in question might some day be viscious? that is just CRAZY!! This owner has been extreamly responsible and should not be punished or forced to get rid of their beloved family memeber. I am sure glad I dont live in this backwards Nebraska town!
Service Member
Jun 17, 2008 2:16 PM
They got rid of a perfectly good dog but yet the stupid ppl get to stay do what they want. Whose really damaging are kids the dog or the judgemental family.
Michelle
Jun 17, 2008 2:32 PM
sniff, sniff....is that a lawsuit I smell??
Chris
Jun 17, 2008 3:02 PM
I'm unaware of any case in which a breed ban has increased public safety. The nation of Holland repealed their ban on pitbulls recently because it proved useless in improving pubic safety.
This passing of a law based on irrational hysteria is frightening in the extreme. People should read the book "the pitbull placebo" that points out that breed bans are a cover for inadequate dog law enforcement. There are a number of pitbulls working right now in law enforcement as search and detection dogs. Helping to keep our country safe from the threats of terrorism and drugs. These hero's would be banned and unable to do the work of protecting us if the hysterical and irrational among us had their way.
CJIMENEZ
Jun 17, 2008 3:26 PM
This is most idiotic thing I ever heard of..doing all of this just because MAYBE there might be problem SOME DAY and because an ignorant over protective parent started it all..come on people ..a dog is a dog a dog..this owner has gone way and above to be a responsible owner..so are you going to demand the same of the parents when their kids turn in to hellious teenagers..protect us now from the vicious things that they can do in the future....GIVE ME BREAK PEOPLE>> WHAT A BUNCH OF YAHOOS (HAIRLESS YOU KNO WHATS) THAT ARE RUNNING OUR GOVERNMENT TODAY..WHAT ABOUT THE OWNERS RIGHTS??????WHAT A JOKE YOU GUYS ARE!!
this is wrong
Jun 17, 2008 3:33 PM
If the city counsil is going to make this ban. Then they need to pay back the guy for all the complying with the old regulations put out since he did all that and still has to get rid of a perfecttly good dog. Or atleast the family that brought up the complaint for no reason.
MAL
Jun 17, 2008 3:38 PM
I'm going to agree with "STOP CRYING..."
Kelly
Jun 17, 2008 4:05 PM
Town idiots whats to love?
Can you spell Communism?
People who are uneducated should never be elected into the position of "Board Member".
Obviously these town idiots were not educated in dog behavior nor did they do any research before banning and voting. If they had researched several of these breeds most if not all would have been taking off the list. If this is all they have to is harrass good pet owners because of a few bad pet owners then they are not worthy of their position.
I feel shame for the town of Osceola! Remember: Board members are voted on! Don't forget to vote them out next election year! Better yet find a person who is educated in animal behavior and vote them in!
I have been bit by a labrador, a poodle, a pomeranian, and a cocker spaniel. I have never been bit by a pit bull, a doberman a rotweiler or other type of so called vicious breed.
Shame on Osceola City!
SuzQ
Jun 17, 2008 4:59 PM
Any dog can be vicious so let's not discriminate. My parents had a female Black Lab that actually ran out the front door of the house and bit a Nun that was walking down the sidewalk. The utility compaines would call to make sure she was inside the house when they came to read the meters. She wasn't like this because she was beaten or trained to protect, it was all on instinct. She was protecting her family. But she would never leave her yard to pursue another dog or a person. My black lab barks when someone is walking down the street when chained up, but is completely oblivious to you if he is running around in the yard. He has never tried biting anyone but people are scared of him because he is black and looks menacing. I think these people that have banned this dog should have gotten to "know" this dog making this decision.
not far from O
Jun 17, 2008 6:59 PM
Don't you love small town politics, I would bet that if the pitbulls owner had a different last name none of this would have ever happened. Its all who you are in a small town.
yawn
Jun 17, 2008 7:17 PM
Geez, I wish I owned stock in kleenex. All you cry babies that need a tissue would make me rich. Let's see 4 dollar a gallon gas, Iraq war, so many other problems and you babies are crying over a DOG. Stop taking yourselves so seriously, you look foolish and ignorant.
Funny
Jun 17, 2008 7:23 PM
This is better then late night comedy. I keep reading the views of the people who are against this ban and they all have one thing in common. That one thing is education, or in this case the lack of education. Did any of you take any writing or grammer classes? Most of you are calling others ignorant, but go ahead and read through the posts. If you want to have a good arguement then please learn to read and write, It will help your case greatly.
Ben
Jun 17, 2008 7:37 PM
Maybe this dog should go back to Springfield, Missouri where it came from. Oh wait, pitt bulls are banned in that city and that is why the dog is in Osceola. Poor dog, such a nice breed, I just do not understand why everyone is against it. After all it is just a media conspiracy, none of these attacks really happened. Yep that's it, blame all these bad brutal attacks that have injured numerous children on the media. YOU PEOPLE ARE SICK, JUST SICK.
The CDC says so...
Jun 17, 2008 9:37 PM
According to the CDC website:

"Rottweilers and Pit-bulls account for approximately 60% of all human deaths."

I am not a psycho, moron, irrational, or an idiot. Anyone can check the website...I am not willing to risk my kids around those types of dogs and the dog ban is a smart thing.
Julia Jester
Jun 18, 2008 12:34 AM
Sounds to me like this town is full of cowards.Anyone that is afraid of a Pit Bull are afraid of dogs in general.They have never been attacked by a Pit Bull,but they have heard that they are vicious.Did you know that the dog that played with the kids on The Little Rascals was a Pit Bull? He sure was.Now do you really think that if this dog was vicious that the film makers would have allowed Petey to be around these kids? Of course not!It's a crying shame that we no longer live in a free country to have what we want and to do what we want.The next thing they ban will be kids.There are people out there that are much more vicious than any dog.They don't get banned.No you can't compare a Pit Bull to people because the Pit Bull is much smarter.People are stupid and these people that banned the Pit Bull are the worst.The people that started this whole mess needs to get a life and to stop causeing a ruckus that they can't handle.They need to mind their own business and let well enough alone.They need to move to the country where they can board up their house and peek through a tiny whole to make sure there are no mean dogs around.They are cowards and scared of any dog.This is the type of people that will shoot a dog on sight just for stepping a foot on their property.The town officals are the same way.I wouldn't live in that crazy town for anything.It's run by ignorant stupid cowards.One family caused all this on the whole town.They should be run out of town.Get a life people don't let these idiots rule your life.Take a stand and fight for whats right.Your rights as American's to practice your freedom,and to be left alone to live life in peace.To have what you want to have and to live the way you want to live.You are American's so prove it and fight this stupid law.
The Truth
Jun 18, 2008 2:57 AM
OK to everyone asking why the "evidence" and the CDC report aren't being disputed by the Pit Bull advocates:

**And just for the record, I work in rescue with small breed dogs, only the occasional larger mixed breed. I am a Journalism Major, and have researched mis-reporting in the media extensively, including term papers on this exact topic!**

The term "pit bull" is used too loosely. BOTTOM LINE. Whether you love or hate these dogs, you have to admit, MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT PIT BULLS REALLY ARE!

There are up to 10 different breeds usually considered "pit bulls" or "bully" dogs. Someone mentioned that most LAW enforcement, let alone the general public, can't identify the American Pit Bull Terrier correctly when shown pictures of different "similar" breeds. I took the test and failed miserably. This is ABSOLUTELY the problem with breed bans. Who is to say what dog is what? I rescued a Rhodesian Ridgeback Mix (an African hunting HOUND) and he was mistaken for a pit bull all of the time. I have worked with an English Bulldog-Boxer mix, and he was also mistaken for a pit bull all of the time, because he was stubby, stocky, and had a smushed nose and blocky head.

The problem also lies in the media reporting. This CDC report states that their tabulations are from law enforcement AND media reports. So if the breed can't be correctly identified, OF COURSE they just call it a pit bull. Or what if it was an American Bulldog or Boxer type dog... was it reported as a pit bull??? Has anyone read the article about the guy who was attacked severely by a non-pit bull dog (lab mix I believe), and was hardly shown any notice. He then "tested" the media by reporting his attack to them as a "pit bull" attack and watched it explode with reports all over the state.

Even a local paper here was reporting an attack by a pit bull. The idiots had a picture of the dog... which was clearly NOT a pit bull but a German Shepherd mix, and when people pointed out this fact, THEY SIMPLY REMOVED THE PICTURE!!! They never recanted or even admitted to the fact that they mis-reported the breed of dog involved.

"If it bleeds, it leads." RIGHT? No one wants to hear about a Lab or other popular "family" breed attacking someone, so when it happens it is quickly hushed. But when a pit bull bites (even if it's not severely), it is suddenly a "mauling" and it covers the news for hours or days.

How many people heard about the Pomeranian that killed the 3 week old baby?

And ONE more thing... someone said that Pit Bulls aren't even in the top 30 registered breeds in the country.... "REGISTERED" being the key word. Multiple animal welfare groups believe that Pit Bulls are the most numerous breed in the country right now, in the multi-millions. So even if you believe the CDC reports are accurate, a dangerous pit bull is LITERALLY one bad apple out of the whole freaking orchard.

Tell the news to report THAT.
frank
Jun 18, 2008 7:24 AM
This Oceola group is the craziest
most hysterical group of witch hunters
of the 21st century! I am appalled
by their ignorance! Their decision to
adopt breed specific legislation is
a major step backwards for this town
county and state...and unfortunately
will not solve their problem. Come on
folks....lets start using our brains instead of unfounded knee jerk hysteria.
Cacher
Jun 18, 2008 7:46 AM
To "The Truth",

I was one of those that asked about the CDC report. I'm on the fence about this whole issue and just wanted to know the facts surrounding it all. You state your a "Journalism Major, and have researched mis-reporting in the media extensively, including term papers on this exact topic." Yet, your response doesn't tout once source to back up what can only be viewed as your opinion. You use the words "or" and "if" to make your point, this is also as you state a "problem also lies in the media reporting". If you do have sources to back up what you have stated, please post them here as I said before, I'm only trying to gather the facts on this subject, not opinions. I look forward to your response.
inu
Jun 18, 2008 9:29 AM
Actually as an academic librarian and as a person who counts herself lucky to be sharing her home with three wonderful rescued pit bull terriers, I DO dispute the facts stated earlier in comments by some of the people contributing to this forum. I'm not going to spend a lot of time doing research, but I would point out that the CDC report states that from 1979-1994 there were 279 deaths from dog bites in the United States. Other recent reports go on to state that an average of thirty people a year die from dog bites in the U.S. If we extrapolate those numbers, we arrive at a total of 699 deaths in the U.S. from dog bites between 1979 and 2008. This figure is nowhere close to the figure cited earlier which stated the count at 2,209 deaths for the years from 1982-2006. And, it would be difficult to claim that the extra 1500 deaths over this period of time were Canadian. Canada's population at about 32 million is about a tenth that of the United States. I would point out that the CDC report itself states very clearly that they find the results of their own study rather unreliable for various reasons and that the results of it should not be used to support breed specific legislation. Please see the below text, which is taken directly from the CDC report:

"Conclusions—Although fatal attacks on humans appear to be a breed-specific problem (pit bull-type dogs and Rottweilers), other breeds may bite and
cause fatalities at higher rates. Because of difficulties inherent in determining a dog’s breed with certainty, enforcement of breed-specific ordinances raises constitutional and practical issues. Fatal attacks represent a small proportion of dog bite injuries to humans and,therefore, should not be the primary factor driving
public policy concerning dangerous dogs. Many practical alternatives to breed-specific ordinances exist and hold promise for prevention of dog bites. (J Am Vet
Med Assoc 2000;217:836–840)

I would suggest to this small town that they do some research before they enact such a ordinance. Maybe the board could start by looking at the Netherlands and why they recently revoked their ban. That might be a good place to start.
Farm Boy
Jun 18, 2008 10:33 AM
Oh yes lets look at the Netherlands where they revoked the pit bull ban. They also are a bunch of legalized pot smokers. Great example to follow there!
funny
Jun 18, 2008 11:16 AM
To Julia= Learn to read and write and it will help you in life. To Frank= you can't even spell Osceola so you to need to take the above advice.
Comedy
Jun 18, 2008 11:22 AM
The same uneducated people keep proving my point, spend less time worrying about a dog and spend more time getting an education. The writing skills you have are pure comedy. To Julia= please tell your parents to monitor your computer use. Your hate filled arguement is pure comedy.
Ryan
Jun 18, 2008 11:45 AM
What about the six other dogs? Dobermans are sweethearts and the American Bandogge Mastiff is just a Bulldog/Mastiffs mix. What about the little dogs, those dogs that are aggressive and bark and bit. Are they going to ban them? Most people don't think that little dogs can be aggressive or dangerous, but they can. Bottom line is it shouldn't matter what kind of dog you have, train it. All dogs have the ability to be great. Last thought, what qualifies these hick town city council memebers to decided what is vicious dog? Did they look them up on that there world wide web and take a gander at the picture show and then pick the dern scariest ones they could fine
RoseyGirl
Jun 18, 2008 12:25 PM
Unless Osceola has a serious problem with dogfighting, the ban on pit bulls is based in pure ignorance. I work at a shelter and have interacted with numerous pit bulls and pit bull mixes. All have been outstanding dogs with very gentle natures. Some have completely won the hearts of our volunteers because they *are* such great dogs. I realize not all pits are this way, but this shows that not all pits are vicious or even aggressive. The same with Rottweilers and Dobermans. This decision was made in total ignorance. Would I let a child play with a pit bull? If I knew the dog and knew it was not aggressive, then yes. I don't judge them on breed, I judge them on individual temperament.
Supporter
Jun 18, 2008 12:59 PM
You people act like Osceola is the first place in the country to ban a breed of dog. Simple fact is Osceola isn't, and won't be the last.
what about bob
Jun 18, 2008 2:52 PM
To Jill:
We already ban vicious people. It's called the death penalty.

To the rest of you insecure losers:

I agree that every dog can attack. That's why we should ban all dogs, everywhere. Pets are for weak, insecure people who want to impose their childish wills on an animal that cannot speak for itself. Pets drain billions from our economy and give nothing back, except for a few seeing eye dogs. All other dogs should be euthanized and the money saved could actually go for good causes, not dog food and chew toys.
SuzQ
Jun 18, 2008 4:44 PM
Check out www.dogbitelaw.com
Support The Ban
Jun 18, 2008 4:46 PM
"Fatal attacks represent a small proportion of dog bite injuries to humans and,therefore, should not be the primary factor driving
public policy concerning dangerous dogs."

This is just one of many statements that I have read the past two days and the last time this story was in the paper that make me want to throw up!!!

Man do you people value dogs more than a human life? One human life taken by an animal is one too many IMO!!!!! From the looks of some of the properties you guys live in, you definitely value dogs over your possessions!!!!

If you people dont like it here in Osceola then move onto another town.
Porky
Jun 19, 2008 11:16 AM
There is more people posting here than live in Osceola :-) ...only pets generate this kind of response/emotion. If this was an article about a person getting forced out of their home, I bet there would be no more than a couple of reponses.
RACHAEL
Jun 19, 2008 3:17 PM
Laws like this go beyond safety of our communities, we are talking about animals here and ultimately HUMANS are responsible for the conduct of their animals, large and small. This now turns into a slippery slope of what one person feels unsafe around. If laws like this continue there will be no acceptable BIG DOG BREED left because we will have banned them all! Thats right even those wonderful black labs and golden retrievers because they are big enough to bite too. Shame on parents for using the helplessness of their children for an excuse of prejudice. Any good dog owner or pet owner would never leave any kind of animal alone with their children. Sad we live in the United States with freedom of choice except when your neighbors opinion matters more than you own!
Cirruss Mom
Jun 19, 2008 8:23 PM
TOW, glad you learned some punctuation! There's this thing in the English language called a "sentence", look it up.

I am a proud pit bull owner and a responsible one at that. "Vicious" and "dangerous" come in all shapes, sizes, and breeds. Please consider a dog's temperment before you label it. It's a domestic animal afterall, not a lion. There's a reason it's man's best friend!
Penny
Jun 19, 2008 8:38 PM
That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Blame the deed, not the breed. Its not the dog that is born vicious, its the owner that can make a dog vicious! This guysis a responsible pet owner and you are bannig his pet because its breed has been give a bad rap! What a crock!
this is stupid
Jun 19, 2008 11:12 PM
ok u know wat i no these people that are trying to have the dog banned they are just big "scardy cats"..maggie is so sweet..she has nevr done anything wrong..she has never had any complaints about being loud or being a dog at large....the johansens just need to stop being so jugemental along w/ every one else that wants the dog banned..just like you say dont judge a book by its cover..or dont judge a person by their looks..DONT JUDGE A DOG BEFORE YOU KNOW WAT THEY ARE REALLY LIKE!!!!!!!!1
MMC
Jun 20, 2008 7:30 AM
This is astonishing. Some children get frightened by a dog, the town enacts an eight-breed ban, one dog with no history of misbehavior at all is the only dog in the whole town subject to the ban, and the dog which frightened the children skates because it is not of a designated vicious breed? Somebody smarter than I will need to explain this to me, because I don't understand it at all. This story is skipping all over the dog lists on the internet... some of us are angry, some of us are pointing and laughing (and angry)... none of us have a clue what The Osceola City Council could have been thinking. You want to keep your kids safe, you need to ban parents, babysitters, cars, bicycles, swimming pools, guns... any of these pose a greater risk than a dog.
cry
Jun 20, 2008 7:47 AM
CRY BABIES CRY...
northbird
Jun 20, 2008 8:21 AM
Let me get this straight. A dog of unamed breed but not a breed now banned by this ordinance "terrorized" three children while running at large. So in response to one hysterical woman, the city bans several completely different breeds and punishes Dotson-Monroe, who has complied with every draconian measure and has had zero complaints about his dog.
Meanwhile what of the not-pitbull that was running about terrorizing children - is it still running at large or what?
And these city council members are actually allowed to cross the street by themselves?
Linda Dickert
Jun 20, 2008 10:40 AM
I have a difficult time understanding why a dog that has never had a complaint filed against him is banned. That's like banning all people that look like Hitler.
Cities that have placed the same ban on Pits dropped the ban because the number of bites and attacks did not go down under the ban.

I own a pit bull, and Sparky is a part of our family. He's the most wonderful dog we've ever had. I rescued him from a puppy mill.

Please reconsider this injustice.

In response to TOW, I can assure you that the dogs that bite most of the time are the tiny ones; these need to be looked at for their aggesssion. And NO pit bulls are not unstable dogs anymore than any other dogs.

Look at the Michael Vick dogs. Most of them now have good homes with people that love them. Just Google "michael vick dogs" and you'll see that pit bulls CAN can the rehabilitated.
Margot Milner
Jun 20, 2008 11:02 AM
What I have noticed is that in the inner city, an awful lot of the type of people who live in the inner city or look like they might live there -- teen-aged boys -- have garnered a reputation for being violent.

What I would like to see is a ban on teen-aged boys. Please don't tell me that many teen-aged boys have merit awards from school or do good work with the handicapped. I know that you can never trust a teen-aged boy or anyone who looks like a teen-aged boy. I don't care what their parents and teachers say, either; you know they're prejudiced.

Do you know that a teen-aged boy once tripped over one of my Chows and just about scared the poor dog to death? To this day, my dog cries at the sight of a teen-aged boy -- just before she licks him, "Hello."

To be on the safe side, I would extend the ban to teen-aged girls and those about to become teen-agers, too. One can never be too careful when our safety is at stake.

Rationally yours,

Margot Milner
France

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Margot Milner
Jun 20, 2008 11:10 AM
"According to the CDC website:

"Rottweilers and Pit-bulls account for approximately 60% of all human deaths."

And here I thought cancer and heart disease were the problems.

The CDC stopped keeping dog bite statistics years ago when they realised how inaccurate the data they were receiving was.

Margot Milner
Lindsey
Jun 20, 2008 2:20 PM
#1, There is a breed called the American Pit Bull Terrier that is recognized by the UKC. That is a "breed". However, the quoted statistics used to malign that breed are skewed because every mutt with a broad chest and short hair gets called a "Pit Bull" by animal control officers, the media and the public at large. Pit Bull is a generic catch all description of a body type, not a breed. As such, one can not make generalizations about temperament. Since this is not a breed it is difficult to get accurate statistics, but experts have speculated based on the information that they do have, that the "Pit Bull" type dog rivals or surpasses the Labrador Retriever for most popular household pet in the United States. So, even if the reports of "Pit Bull" attacks weren't exagerated by the media, the sheer size of their population means that they're going to have more complaints against them. However, there are statistics out that show when you account for the population of Pit Bull type dogs (much, much larger than the population of American Pitbull Terriers) then the percentage of Pit Bull type dogs that bite is actually lower than in many popular purebred dogs. What you may also not realize is the number of times the media reports a "pit bull attack" when the offical report filed with law enforcement actually sites a completely different type of dog. Due to public bias, the media assumes that the dog is a Pit Bull and/or they realize that a pit bull attack is news, a Labrador Retriever attack is not.

#2, Gangstas, thugs and dog fighters are NOT the only people who own pit bull type dogs. In fact, they are the minority. There are wonderful, repsonsible families all over the United States who have well behaved, well socialized, happy-go-lucky pit bulls. This is most defintiely a case where the irresponsible few, getting disporportionate media coverage, are ruining it for the many.

#3, As previously mentioned, breed specific legislation is a political maneuver to give the illusion of doing thing useful. Almost every municipality out there already has extensive dangerous dog laws on the books. Why not try enforcing those for a change instead of punshing the innocent and responsible?

#4, Vague laws do not help anyone. Laws that violate constitutional propery rights, do not help anyone. I hope the city gets sued, they deserve it for wasting everyone's time and money and ignoring their own legal counsel.

-Lindsey, not even a pit bull owner
Andi
Jun 20, 2008 7:34 PM
This is all sooo ridiculous...IF you do not own a pit bull...then you can not say anything about how they act..
I have owned 2 pit bulls in my life..
Zacky: who got hit by a car as he was coming across the street and when the driver saw my 12yr old daughter crying over her best freind he continued driving...
I now have Attie a 7 month old Pit and all she wants to do is be loved and petted and especailly to give kisses...

Yes DOGS can be dangerous...not just pits.
Why punish inoccent dogs.
my neighbor has a lab that constantly barks and growls when i go past my fence...why not ban labs?
Personally im more afraid of little dogs than large dogs...i guess the main point is if you have never owned a pit bull then you have no reason to even involve yourself
K. Thompson
Jun 23, 2008 4:05 PM
This ban is ridiculous! Banning certain breeds will do no more than force criminals to use other breeds for their intended purposes. Any breed of dog can be vicious. I work with abused and neglected Pit Bulls on a daily basis and by no means would I consider any of them vicious. Most are very loving and compassionate even though they have been mistreated. There is so much media hype and misinformation regarding Pit Bulls that it makes me sick. It's seems very funny that racial profiling is illegal, but isn't that what we're doing to dogs. Banning a whole breed for unfortunate behaviors displayed by a few of that same breed. It's not the breed that needs punished, but the criminals and irresponsible owners. As a responsible dog owner myself, they are like my children. I dare anyone to tell me they are taking my dogs away from me for no apparent reason but because of their breed. It will not happen! If banning breeds continues, eventually there will be no dogs left in our country to ban. What a shame that will be.
kf
Jun 30, 2008 6:50 AM
This is outrageous and proves ignorance on the part of the council.

Perhaps it would be just as smart to target a certain race of people, as more LIIKELY to commit a crime and then round them all up & perhaps execute them so that no crime is committed. Oh, and the suspicion would not be based on any FACT that says they are more predisposed to committ crime. Oh, that's right. That's already been tried -- i.e. African Americans, Japanese, Muslims etc etc etc

Shame on the council! You are empowered to make decisions based on fact, not unfounded opinion and predjudice.
Ben Harris
Oct 21, 2008 6:28 PM
I'm sorry guys, I think the people who needed to read this stopped after the third time they were called idiots.
Sick'em Willie!!, I know Maggie won't.

In memory of our Pit "Po'okela"; Who someone poisened shortly before the ban came to light.
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Ban at a glance

Osceola City Attorney Brian Beckner said the city’s breed ban ordinance is effective immediately upon publication in the newspaper of record in Polk county.

At that time the city’s animal control officer will submit an affidavit to the police department who will in turn serve notice to the owner of any dog listed as a vicious dog in the ordinance. The next steps in the process are detailed below.

-- Once notice is received the dog owner will have 10 days to inform the police department in writing whether they believe their dog falls under the provisions of the ordinance.

-- If the owner fails to respond within the 10 day period the dog will be presumed to be a vicious dog as defined and the owner will be cited.

-- If the owner claims the dog does not fall under the provisions of the ordinance they will be ordered to bring the dog to a veterinarian who has the option to draw blood for the DNA test.

-- If the veterinarian determines the dog to be a vicious dog, the owner will be cited, ordered to pay for the cost of veterinarian services and any DNA test performed.

-- The police department will issue a 48 hour notice to remove the dog from the city limits.

-- If the owner fails to remove the dog, the police department will impound the dog until trial on the citation is held.

-- If the owner, convicted of the ordinance, continues to keep the animal in the city limits they will be subject to charges of contempt of court.

-- Each day the dog is kept within the city limits will be deemed a separate offense.

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