Canned beer permit still draws controversy

By Adrian Sanchez asanchez@columbustelegram.com
Sunday, Mar 30, 2008 - 12:10:35 am CDT

COLUMBUS -- Conflicting testimony and circulation of a petition by Project Extra Mile to keep alcohol out of city parks has at least one Columbus Softball Association (CSA) supporter agitated.

On March 18, the Columbus park board voted 4-3, with two board member absent, against granting a “canned beer only” permit to CSA during CSA-sponsored events at the softball complex in Gerrard Park. CSA President Brian Brownlow said at that time he intended to bring the request before the board again in April.

In a follow-up interview, with the two members who were absent, Joy Meister said she was a solid yes to grant the permit, while Steve Kohl was not as firm in his position, but said he was leaning in favor of CSA.

After hearing the result of the vote and some of the testimony that had occurred during that meeting, Dave Zybach said he could no longer stand by regarding this issue.

Zybach, who not only served on the park board, but who also helped start the CSA in 1983, said he was frustrated with PEM and Wilma Arp’s opposition to a social event for adults that has been involved in a single instance of underage drinking.

“It was around the year 2000 and two minors were arrested for minor in possession,” he said. “I was the one who turned them in.”

He equated the consumption of alcohol at the CSA games to a bunch of co-workers grabbing two or three drinks after work.

“They (PEM) have a bad conception of what occurs. It’s not party time,” Zybach said. “Most of them bring a cooler. With 12 guys on a team, a case will be split between 12 guys.”

He also raised the flag on Arp’s testimony during the meeting regarding her statement that while she served on the board she never voted to grant the permit.

Upon investigation of the park board minutes during Arp’s, who was Wilma Weigert at the time, service from April 1988 to June 1999, she voted to approve a CSA beer permit request on six separate occasions, with her final yes vote occurring Feb. 13, 1996.

Arp said she did not recollect voting for any CSA beer permits and attributed her affirmative votes for the 1990-1996 CSA seasons to being new to the board.

“When you first come on a board you don’t understand all the issues. You vote the way everyone else votes,” she said. But as she gained more experience “you receive more education in the areas and the issues and probably make better decisions.”

It was not until Jan. 21, 1997, that she cast her first vote against the beer permit. Arp said she established a different position because of a number of tragic events that occurred in 1996 involving underage drinking.

“People think we are picking on the softball association. We have given them credit for years as nothing has happened,” she said, but “find me another community the size of Columbus or larger that allows unlimited amounts of canned beer in a park like that.”

Of note, CSA does not provide any alcohol but participants are allowed to bring in their own canned beer for consumption at the softball complex only.

Also, Arp said, adults “tell youth they don’t need alcohol to have a good time and then turn around and show them that you do have to have alcohol to have a good time. That is being a hypocrite. One of the things we can do as a community is to change community norms.”

Zybach said the hypocrisy lies amongst those who oppose the beer permit at CSA events, but who are not against alcohol being allowed at Catholic church galas, the Platte County Fair, Quail Run Golf Course and other community-oriented, family focused activities.

“(PEM) doesn’t go after anybody but the CSA,” he said, because CSA “is a small group, and it is hard for them to fight back.”

According to a resolution of support being circulated in the Columbus community by PEM to prohibit alcohol in city parks, PEM is opposed to “alcohol at community events, including activity in city parks,” “alcohol where young people and families are present” and “alcohol on city property.”

Rev. John Nelson, coalition chairman for PEM, said that position is based on changing the community attitude to one that does not tolerate or accept underage drinking and PEM has approached the Platte County Agricultural Society regarding the beer garden at the fair.

By allowing alcohol at CSA events it demonstrates alcohol is an element needed to have fun, Nelson said.

“Even though it is an adult league with adults it does affect the issue of underage drinking,” he said.

Stacy Riley, PEM coordinator, said the difference between CSA and Gerrard Park and Quail Run Golf Course is that the golf course has a liquor license, which has much different policies and regulations than a canned beer permit.

Diane Riibe, executive director of PEM, said discussions with those other organizations could occur, but she doubts it would change the community’s position at this time.

“The community is probably not ready for that discussion,” Riibe said. “Is there a desire, a willingness on the part of community leaders ... to change the environment in the community in a park on city owned property? The community of Columbus and Platte County have been seen as having a bit of a love affair with alcohol.”

When asked how prohibiting adults from having alcohol at an adult softball league that has been a good steward of the permit is going to further the cause of eliminating underage drinking, she said that allowing alcohol at community events and city parks has a direct correlation with youth drinking overall.

Nelson said the community should take a stance for what is best for Columbus overall and to prohibit alcohol at parks.

People don’t expect alcohol at a city park, he said.

When asked if the long history of CSA’s request for canned beer permit and the controversy that surrounds it each year is enough to raise that awareness, he said those who are aware of the issue may be, but he is not sure everyone else would expect beer at the Gerrard Park softball complex.

“It wouldn’t have been a big issue if Columbus didn’t have such a big (history) of underage drinking issues,” Nelson said.

Zybach said although he supports PEM’s primary mission against underage drinking, it is ultimately up to parents to be parents and teach their kids to not drink if they are underage and to teach them not to abuse alcohol when they are of age to drink.

“I have two daughters who are adults. I wanted to be a parent. I am going to teach them what’s right and wrong. I don’t want them learning from other people,” he said. “We need to protect our children, but that is a parental thing.”

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Amazing Grace
Mar 30, 2008 4:46 AM
Once again I feel so relieved that the individuals against having canned beer at the softball fields, are so busy looking out for my best interests. I am grateful that they are there to tell me how I should live my life. NOT! Never agreed with much that Dave Zybach had to say, but I do now. Wilma Arp sounds like a Hillary Clinton disciple, memory only seems to work when it's convenient.
Klem
Mar 30, 2008 6:27 AM
What idiots Wilma must think we are. Six years of being new to the board and just voting with the majority because she didn't understand the issue? C'mon. Give the public just a little bit of credit. After the first year she should have understood the issues.
matt
Mar 30, 2008 6:37 AM
What about "Rockin' on the Runway" and the Downtown Runaround? I believe these events have more of an underage audience and yet PEM does nothing to keep alcohol out of these events. Most of the kids that will attend these events are either 10 and under or college kids coming back to visit their parents. I went to every one of my dad's softball games growing up and I honestely couldn't tell you if they had beer or not. Once I got in upper grade school and junior high, I didn't want to attend these games anymore. I think most teenagers are this way. Why prohibit alcohol at events where teenagers that would normally be tempted to drink, won't even attend???
Doc
Mar 30, 2008 7:30 AM
Six years to figure out what you were voting on? Come on Wilma...makes you sound like you are not the sharpess tack in the box!
FYI-For at least six years alcohol has not been allowed in the parks. Only Gerrard Softball omplex is allowed to have canned beer. Gerrard PARK is off limits to canned beer.
environmentalist
Mar 30, 2008 8:58 AM
The alcohol industry targets children, spending billions in product research and advertising which subtly encourages youth to drink. Just look at the lemonade and candy flavors with alcohol available in any convenience store. Alcohol consumption has also assumed a prominent role in our sports dominated culture. One cannot watch a televised sporting event without commercials infiltrating our minds with insiped notions of the supposed merits of alcohol consumption: (1) tastes great, (2) has less calories, (3) enhances social/sexual prowess, (4) makes you feel young again (i.e. viagra for the mind). Back in the 19th century our forefathers recognized such retailers as the "snake oil salesmen" they were. Today, we live in a "dumb downed" culture, and seem content to simply pass our sheepish attitudes on to the next generation. I applaud the community's efforts to prevent softballers from engaging in public drinking exhibitions under the guise of recreational sports. If you want to drink ... go to the bar! If you want a cardiovascular workout ... "play ball." Batter up!
Wow
Mar 30, 2008 9:59 AM
After moving away from Columbus back in 1982, it looks like nothing has changed much. You have always had the very few who run the town, and the majority who have to live with the rules. I think everyone needs to run out and rent the movie "Footloose" and see what you have going on here with this very small group of so called perfect people, trying to make the rules again, and change the town. I played softball at Gerard Park when I lived there for 10 years, and it was a great time, and did include beer at times. My kids loved to attend the games, but all they remember from it, was how much fun they had playing with all the other kids during the games. They are now adults, and I just asked them yesterday if they remember anything other then the fun times they had with the other kids, and they said not at all. Beer was not even in there memory as of today. Beer has been, and always will be around kids right or wrong, but it "Must" be up to the "PARENTS" to discuss the "Major" risk of Drinking,Drinking and Driving etc. If this group (PEM) wants to make a stance, they should look at the many other events Dave Zybach mentioned that have been long time Church/School/Gala fundraisers in Columbus which also included Beer, and at one time included Vegas style money games. I do not remember any of the names in this group as long time Columbus residents, but maybe I am wrong. Good Luck, and I hope you can all work this out with an open mind.
Wow!!
Mar 30, 2008 10:04 AM
You vote the way






You vote the way everyone else votes just because you are new to the board??? I can't believe someone would even admit to something like this. She is on cloud 9, always has been, always will be.








Realist
Mar 30, 2008 10:06 AM
I want to know how come these "groups" do not attack church galas and why that was not even close to being addressed. That is a primary family setting and even if they do have a temp. liqour licence then why are these groups not petitioning at city coucil meeting to deny the temp. approval of a liquor license or better yet, boycott the church that puts on the gala and blast the fathers and church council who obviously promotes drinking families in front of underage children. Could this be because they are afraid of going against the "catholics" and want to fry the small fish like Zybach said. I say to PEM and Extra Mile, let the parents parent their children, not you and since both groups are so against drinking then please do not be a hypocrite and drink and drive yourselves. That is a true hypocrite. This will not last and beer WILL be PERMITTED THIS YEAR because of a tight ship that Brownlow, Palmer, the umpiring crew and players run at the CSA. These groups have never even attended enough games to see what happens and get a true grasp of how strict the place is run and how the players abide by the rules!
Hey environmentalist...
Mar 30, 2008 11:23 AM
...softball is cardiovascular work??? Maybe it's just the exercise science degree in me...or my experience from playing softball...but I have never known of anyone to get a cardiovascular workout from playing softball. A little bit of exercise...yes...cardio work...DEFINITELY NOT!!! Most of the sweating that occurs during softball is due to the 100 degree temperatures with 100% humidity. Slow pitch softball has been and always will be more of a casual game for people to enjoy themselves and drink a few beers. Sort of like bowling or golf...
Nesbit
Mar 30, 2008 11:32 AM
In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Horatio G. Spafford, March 17, 1814
MarWie
Mar 30, 2008 11:46 AM
Beer at Gerrard? Viaduct?? Sound fimilar?? Make a decision and stick with it. Beer at Gerrard? I vote YES!!
My kids went to Gerrard all the time while I was playing ball. All they cared about was getting to go down that tornado slide at the park.
phreakwars
Mar 30, 2008 11:48 AM
Been working so hard
Keep punching my card
Eight hours, for what?
Oh, tell me what I got
I get this feeling
That time's just holding me down
I'll hit the ceiling
Or else I'll tear up this town
night I gotta cut loose, footloose
Kick off your Sunday shoes
Klem
Mar 30, 2008 1:08 PM
It seems to me that people who are against beer at the softball complex (like environmentalist - "I applaud the community's efforts to prevent softballers from engaging in public drinking exhibitions under the guise of recreational sports.") have no clue about what goes on there. They all seem to think that it's a big keg party. Maybe they should take some time this summer - after the vote to allow beer at the softball complex - to go and do some research. They may even find the time spent to be enjoyable enough to come back.
Chicago Mike
Mar 30, 2008 2:12 PM
I have to agree with Doc. Six years to understand a simple issue like this? That's what I call a slow learning curve. Despite this, this Wilma person professes to have the wisdom to tell people how to live their lives. All of you who mentioned other events that allow alcohol have made valid points. Alcohol abuse is not caused by a few players having a beer after their game. Would it be better to spend the whole time drinking in a bar somewhere, rather than a few after the game? Teens know that (most) adults enjoy an alcoholic beverage in social settings. These apres-game beers are probably the most closely monitored drinks anywhere. These players know if they get rowdy or slip beers to underage players, it's over. Nobody want's to be the idiot that lost the privelege for everyone, so they behave. Once again, certain people have failed to make the distinction between responsible consumption of alcohol from alcohol abuse-teen drinking-drunken driving. I hope in the next vote, the more discerning minds will prevail.
dryice
Mar 30, 2008 3:56 PM
Everyone's entitled to charge their mind on a position, including Wilma. But to say she did not recollect voting for any CSA beer permits, sounds like Hillary Clinton's reccollection of her arival under gunfire at Tuzla. I can understand being naive for a year or two on the board...but SIX? Come on, Wilma. Just admit you had a change of conscience on the issue.
winer not whiner
Mar 30, 2008 10:21 PM
In the meantime... hundreds of meth addicts sit back and giggle as they go unnoticed because we are fighting over beer.

phreakwars
Mar 30, 2008 10:43 PM
I wonder how annoying it would be if the softball teams all changed their names to reflect alcohol use.. like..... the beers, the brewers, the kegs...etc...etc..
seejayess
Mar 30, 2008 11:59 PM
We've been gone for over two years now... but if I picked up a copy of the Telegram I'd have triple-check the date. It's the same argument now as it was then (and has been for years).

Progress? Ha!
Doc
Mar 31, 2008 6:11 AM
I wonder if Lakeview Sports Booster Club's fund raiser this year will include a golf outing at a course where beer is served. A minor might see them drinking while raising money for youth sports and get the wrong idea! I hope Bob & Wilma put a stop to this. I also hope the Telegram keeps a close eye on this. Would make another interesting story!
environmentalist said:
Mar 31, 2008 6:52 AM
"Today, we live in a "dumb downed" culture, and seem content to simply pass our sheepish attitudes on to the next generation"

You mean the unenlightened attitude of the PEM cult, who operate under the misguided notion that we are setting a bad example for youth? The same sheepish attitude that led to Prohibition and the wave or organized crime and violence that followed?

In your case, a more appropriate adage would be that those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. After all, what you people are really after is a second Prohibition. Why don't you and Wilma and all your other colleagues be honest for once and just come right out and admit it?
responsible
Mar 31, 2008 10:13 AM
I think CSA is promoting SOFTBALL that also has legal RESPONSIBLE drinking at their events.

You are no finding guys and girls out there, you are finding ADULTS. They are not out there to drink, they are there to play a sport and take part in a social activity.

If they do not allow this I want to see all beer off the golf courses. There is NO difference. There should also be no drinks at all public events. Street Dances, Fair, Horse Races, Weddings at Ag Park...
someone
Mar 31, 2008 11:38 AM
environmentalist said:"In your case, a more appropriate adage would be that those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. After all, what you people are really after is a second Prohibition. Why don't you and Wilma and all your other colleagues be honest for once and just come right out and admit it?"

Very well said
Cacher
Mar 31, 2008 1:09 PM
No one ever answered the question I asked on the other article regarding this issue. If PEM and the likes are so concerned with underage drinking and setting a good example for our youth, then why haven't they gone after the town run golf courses that allow you to carry alcohol and serve alcohol?? Are there not "children" (Under the legal drinking age) playing golf at these places? Are the no being exposed to the same evils that they would be exposed to at the softball complex? Or is it possibly they might consider there is a difference in the calipar people who are participatnig in softball vs golf. Now don't get me worng, that is not my viewpoint, but if I'm wrong in my assumption of why PEM is not targeting the golf courses then I would love an explanation! PEM needs to stop selectively choosing targets. This group seems to have have lost sight of their original intent and instead wants to save us all from ourselves, but they have done this on such a selective scale that it makes them seem to be hypocrites by egnoring these other targets that have been doing the same thing for so long!
story
Mar 31, 2008 1:36 PM
check out this story about teens busted at a party..

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080323/GPG0101/80323031

ha!
John Ways
Mar 31, 2008 2:27 PM
It seems like someone touched a bad nerve. Anyone who can't play ball, function, have fun as a family or do antyhing without a buzz on, sounds like they have a problem to me.
gerardlover
Mar 31, 2008 4:04 PM
Exactly my point all along, Golf courses, ag park, weddings, street dances, church functions,weddings, county fair, rockin on the runway,rib tasting,and on and on, Yet PEM targets one social event that seems to be considered "lower class" HA. My question has been, WHAT IS AND HAS PEM BEEN DOING AT THE SCHOOLS TO GET THEIR POINT ACROSS. I will ask my neices and nephews that attend CPS if they have been to any anti drinking campaigns by this organization. Let the parents teach their children the evils about drinking. I read in another article that someone said that when they got a little older they did NOT want to go to the games at Gerard Park. The "little children are to busy playing on the equipment and running around with other kids.Wilma, I have never heard of you, but boy did you make an a$$ out of yourself by your comments. I am still laughing. you truly sound like a politician. It is great to have people like you in the city to be the butt of all jokes.
karla
Mar 31, 2008 7:44 PM
my husband and i do not play softball, but have friends in the league. we like to take a couple of beers with us in a small cooler to enjoy on a hot summer night while watching them play ball. we have never noticed minors drinking, or any one getting out of control. we also like to play horseshoes, and would love to be able to take a couple of beers to pawnee park to enjoy while we play. yes, we can have fun without alcohol, but as we are definitely adults (in our 50's and 60's) we should be able to enjoy a cold beer in our tax dollar supported parks, as long as we don't litter or consume too much as to impare our driving. we do not condone underage drinking and have never purchased alcohol for minors. but we are still being labeled as being wrong about our wanting to have a couple of beers at the local park. PEM does good work and i commend them for their efforts, but sometimes i think that they go a little overboard. i don't think adults having a beer or two in front of a child is going to corrupt them. i have a 21 year old son who doesn't drink alcohol even though he is old enough. we did not corrupt him. let the league have their beer permit. they aren't hurting anyone.
To John Ways
Mar 31, 2008 9:43 PM
Get a clue Ways. This isn't about somebody needing to get a buzz on to play ball. It's about adults engaging responsibly in an adult activity. Your insinuation that those who favor beer at the park must be a bunch of alcoholics is not only wrong, it's demeaning and offensive. It's not the players who have a problem sir, it's YOU.
minor
Apr 1, 2008 7:11 PM
OKAY take this from a minor about to turn 21! Open up your eyes people! Quit bickering about ADULTS DRINKING at a game! They have NOTHING to do with underage drinking! Does anyone realize that no matter how much the law changes or how many bans they put on alcohol that it won't stop underage drinking! It's Columbus! There is nothing to do around here for our youth and they will drink! High schools all around the country have kids who drink! Its something all of you have done and its something that will continue! So grow up and stop crying about there being alcohol at an ADULT FUNCTION!!
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