Teen drinkers, their parents are the issue, not park

Saturday, Mar 22, 2008 - 10:47:56 am CDT

Given the belief that fools rush in where angels fear to tread, one might question why we would revisit the question of a “canned beer only” permit for the Columbus Softball Association.

We tackle this topic because the decision gives rise to questions of the methods and motivations used to discourage underage drinking.

The permit was denied last week by the Columbus Park Board on a 4-3 vote. Board members Jane Davis, Glenna Engdahl, Bill Gannon and Brad Hansen opposed the request. Chairman Tom Hunt, Gary Puetz and Dave Slusarski voted to grant the permit. Steve Kohl and Joy Meister were not at the meeting.

The latter fact gives rise to association President Brian Brownlow’s plan to bring the issue back at the board’s April meeting.

Meister said she favored the permit and Kohl said he was inclined to support it with a “sudden death” clause should any violations of the permit occur.

Board member Bill Gannon said although the association may toe the line, he was concerned that problems could develop in areas of the park beyond the playing area.

We believe beer and other alcoholic beverages are consumed at Gerrard and other city parks ” permit or no. To believe otherwise would be naive. Consumption beyond the confines of a permit area is a police matter and should be dealt with accordingly.

We also believe the fear expressed by permit foes regarding the “canned beer permit” encouraging underage drinking is misguided. Underage drinking is a parental and law enforcement responsibility ... the latter coming into play only when the former fail at their task.

We, like Project Extra Mile, are adamantly opposed to teen drinking. Journalists are keenly aware of the volatile cocktail that results from mixing alcohol and teens.

We do not, however, believe it is reasonable, let alone practical, to think young people’s eyes can be shielded from the fact that adults drink alcohol. Better, we believe would be to show our youth that

alcohol can be consumed in a

responsible fashion.

We have offered a regular space on this page to Project Extra Mile to assist them in their fight against teen drinking.

The public persona of this group, however, too often takes on a prohibitionist tone. Their efforts to increase taxes on alcoholic beverages on the theory that a higher price would deter underage drinking would be an example of that approach.

An underage drinker determined to get a six pack or a pint of distilled spirits will not let a few pennies or even dollars stop them.

Let’s attack teen drinking through educating parents and teens and unyielding enforcement of alcohol laws.

“Drying up” a softball complex is a hollow victory at best and, at worst, re-enforcement for people who oppose Project Extra Mile.

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phreakwars
Mar 22, 2008 11:38 PM
I support Project Extra Mile... or rather, I support the mission statement. I support them because of my own personal story. I grew up in a household where my dad used and abused alcohol to the point of dying from it. His death certificate reads, under cause of death.. "PSORIASIS OF THE LIVER, and HEPATITIS". I experienced what it was like for a child of an alcoholic to grow up with the pre-conceived notion that the use of alcohol was A-OK. Myself, and my brothers and sisters were granted basically FREE USE of alcohol from my mom and dad if we wanted it. If we wanted to slam down a 12 pack with dad. It was just a matter of going to the fridge and getting a beer and having a seat next to the ole' man. No questions asked, no complaints or protests to be found.But something happened during the time myself and my 5 other brothers and sisters grew up with such freedoms.. We watched and we observed, and we took note... not because we were told to, but because our environment made us consciously aware of the effects and repercussions of alcohol. Not to ourselves, but to dad. We bare witness to the violent, irrational behaviors that came along with being intoxicated, time and time again. Oddly enough, after 36 years on this earth, myself and my other 5 brothers and sisters do not abuse alcohol......If Project Extra Mile's reasonings hold true, then I, and my other brothers and sisters, should be heavily abusive alcoholics/substance abusers... But that isn't the case. Have I used and abused alcohol and other substances.. yes I have, I even brought myself to a point of addiction. Do I see my fathers actions as an influence to this... NO. I made my own decisions about what I was putting into my body, and I made my own rational justifications for doing so... If anything, alcohol was a substance I avoided because of having to be raised with it around me at all times. Oh sure, I still will drink to this day every so often. I'm not "FREAKED OUT" by alcohol and scared of it (like Wilma Arp is, please get help Wilma), but I do understand what the possible penalties are to myself for it's consumption. If anything, I was taught that alcohol is something not to be taken lightly. But at the same time, I was exposed to the casual drinker... I was exposed to the guys at Husker bar, and Tiny Bubbles, and Last Chance and Coufal's. I learned people's limits by observing their action's. I learned how to RESPONSIBLY drink in addition to learning what a God-damned lush was. There is alot to be said, IMO, about hands on experience with alcohol use. I learned of the "SOFTBALL" drinker as well. They were just like the "GOLF" drinker. They showed up to see a few associates and friends and BS with them. The game itself was secondary. Drinking was not a given, the socializing was what counted the most. This still holds true for all the old money who shows up at the golf course to play a few rounds. It would be ludicrous to think the same isn't felt by softball players that show up to have some fun with friends. I guess my main point, is that Project Extra Mile, could be an excellent organization, as long as they get over their own fears of alcohol use and try to push a more RESPONSIBLE use, over a taboo use of alcohol.
realist
Mar 23, 2008 8:07 AM
That is fine if you want to do this but then do not use selective enforcement. Get rid of it completely and fight against it accross the board like for the galas and county fair. Do not be selective because there is more family involved in those events.
Tim
Mar 23, 2008 8:48 AM
How the novel is the idea that we as a society should trust responsible adults to act responsibly?

Or is it that notion applies to everything but firearms and the carrying thereof?
why not
Mar 23, 2008 9:37 AM
My husband and I have 4 children and we play softball. I would not have a problem with my kids being out at the fields with us while others are drinking. If you don't want your kids to be there then don't take them. If you can't trust your kids to be there and not drink then keep a closer eye on them. Not everyone is an addict, some of us can drink in moderation and have fun. Just like smoking, just becasue I don't smoke doesn't mean that no one should smoke. Why can't we have a little fun while playing ball? Were the fields ever left a mess or was there ever property damage done by the ones who do drink?
Right on
Mar 23, 2008 11:47 AM
Why not hit the nail right on the head!
You anti everything people need to relax, how many of you actually go out there anyway?
thanks for your insight!
Mar 23, 2008 1:43 PM
Phreakwars...thanks for your insight and perspective on this tough issue. I agree with you throughly. I had the same experience, not with alcohol but with cigarettes. All of my siblings do not smoke because of the experience with our father and how miserable it was to be around it. He also passed away at too early of an age from it. It was the best example of how to live your life and not be preached at by others.

I also played softball for years and never saw bad behavior in regards to alcohol. I also love golf and see the social atmosphere there and haven't seen any problems. There are many youth at both events and I am not seeing the fairness in the decision. I do understand that there are private golf courses that can't be regulated by the city but the two that are owned in Columbus could be. I do not want this, as an adult it is my responsibility to regulate it or face the consquences.

Please reconsider the decision and allow the softball teams to continue to show there they can handle it.
Brooke
Mar 23, 2008 8:18 PM
I would just like to state I was one of those kids that grew up at the softball fields. I would be there at least 3 times a week with my parents and I would like to state that I do not abuse alcohol in any way. In fact, I was taught that alcohol was for adults and I was more concerned with getting candy and pop from the concession stand. The people who say having alcohol out there is such a bad idea I would love to see how much time they have actually spent out at the park and watched the teams. After I have said that, I would like to say that I know what it feels like to lose a friend in an alcohol related accident. I have seen how it can hurt a family and I would not wish this upon my worst enemy but I know for a fact in the 4 years I went to high school and the 2 deaths that occurred while I was there I had only one assembly over alcohol. Why doesn’t Project Extra Mile get into our school and sponsor a speaker to come in and talk to the kids about alcohol. Why do they not sponsor a section in our health classes that shows everything that can happen when you drink underage. It blows me away that Project Extra Mile can spend their money and effort with drinking in a public park but can’t sponsor a class where they can teach parents on how to talk to their children about alcohol. Because, its not the public who should teach kids not to drink it should be their parents. And for everyone that is so concerned with the MIP rate in Columbus i want you to look at how the last time they banned alcohol at Gerrard the MIP rate still went up. So maybe it isn't the park, but the education the kids have about alcohol.
In Favor Of
Mar 24, 2008 11:17 AM
I have no problems in letting adults drink at the fields, I think the bigger problem in this town to worry about is all this tagging of buildings, people should focus more on all of that then a bunch of adults drinking at a softball field. I know a few business owners who have had things tagged recently and that's property damage, if teenagers want to go out and drink, let them. Let them get caught eventually and let them learn their own lessons but those are just my thoughts everyone can believe what they wish
Doc
Mar 24, 2008 1:10 PM
Excellent editorial! Let's get the decission making process on alcohol consumption on public property turned over to our elected officials. A board compromised of appointed people has no right determining where and if alcohol can be consumed on public property!
becoming educated
Mar 25, 2008 8:51 AM
For everyone who doesn't understand what Project Extra Mile is really all about, here is a clip from their website:

"Some call it environmental prevention; others would say it's simply changing the landscape of the communities in which we live. We create a safer world for our kids by challenging adult behavior and societal norms surrounding underage drinking. Underage drinking is not merely illegal and unhealthy, it's unacceptable. We change laws and policies to reduce youth access to alcohol. We encourage increased enforcement of youth alcohol laws. We monitor the liquor licensing process throughout the state and educate the community with awareness materials and the media on underage drinking issues. And finally, we engage youth and train them to be leaders on the issue."
city guy
Mar 25, 2008 12:58 PM
Hey Doc, so the park has been compromised? Or, did you mean comprised? There's a difference! Please clarify.
Doc
Mar 25, 2008 1:28 PM
CityGuy,
I missed where I wrote park. Help me here.
I did mean the BOARD was comprised.....
didn't know the spelling police were on patrol.
sports guy
Mar 25, 2008 4:42 PM
why is it the city picks on softball complex I have played there for 15 yrs and never seen a problem, but its ok to go to a bowling alley and play keno and drink all night with there kids there and drive home. At least at the complex we are there for maybe 2 hrs then we go home not for 6 hrs, its ok softball will be done in columbus in a couple yrs if not sooner.
yikes
Mar 26, 2008 9:14 PM
we are not going to make the world or any other a safer place for our children if we try to take everything away from them. we can't keep our kids in a box. and no i do not think underaged kids should drink. Parents need to educate them on what right and wrong is all about. I do not mean get someone in a class or bring someone in to do this. i mean it is time for parents to take responsability for thier kids. You had them you disipline them, you had them you teach them, you had them you raise them.