Detours planned if viaduct razed

By Adrian Sanchez asanchez@columbustelegram.com
Tuesday, Mar 25, 2008 - 05:21:31 pm CDT

COLUMBUS -- Deterioration may result in the complete closure of the 33rd Avenue viaduct for an estimated 10 months during reconstruction.

According to a potential change in the schedule and method of reconstruction discussed between the city and Nebraska Department of Roads (NDOR), the viaduct would be closed to traffic beginning in February 2009 and not reopen until December 2009.

The public and City Council will have an opportunity to hear from NDOR officials, design consultants and city staff regarding this issue and provide their opinions and ask questions at a special meeting of the council at 7 p.m. Monday in the City Council Chambers, 1369 25th Ave.

The initial plan was to work on the eastern two lanes to maintain two-lane traffic, with one lane in each direction, on the western side and vice versa when the eastern half was complete. The state was anticipated to begin construction in January 2009 and complete the project in November 2010, with a single lane in each direction during 17 of those months.

Based on the new plans being considered by NDOR, construction would begin in October 2008 and continue through June 2010, with the viaduct being closed from February 2009 until December 2009.

Proposed detours show local traffic being detoured along 23rd Avenue and Eighth Street. U.S. Highway 30 traffic would be rerouted to Highways 64 and 15 and U.S. Highway 81 traffic would be rerouted to Highways 39 and 22, through Silver Creek, Genoa and Monroe.

City Engineer Merlin Lindahl said the viaduct asphalt on top is OK, but the underside of the viaduct is deteriorating faster than initially thought, because of trapped moisture. Much of that is occurring on the southbound lanes.

He said if the state proceeded with the original plan, shifting nearly 20,000 daily vehicles from four lanes to two, the degradation could become more rapid and it could increase the number of deck failures, such as the one that occurred in a southbound lane in February (the tracks below the viaduct could be seen through the hole).

NDOR’s report said if the state moves forward as planned if a hole or failure occurs while only two lanes of traffic are open the structure would have to be closed to traffic for each repair, which would result in construction delays and significant additional costs to the project.

City Administrator Joseph Mangiamelli said he asked the state why construction work could not begin on the western half and the response was the same concerns existed.

City Administrator Joseph Mangiamelli said the reason for the special meeting and the urgency is because NDOR had planned to hold public meetings for the reconstruction project beginning in April, but with the recent inspection results NDOR may change their plans and they want to receive input from the city and its citizens before moving forward.

Monday’s meeting is being held to “present the city council with information upon which to make a recommendation,” Mangiamelli said. “It gives the community and elected officials an opportunity to hear the issues.”

A final recommendation is expected from the council the following week, during their regularly scheduled meeting on April 7.

“We want to minimize the traffic concerns and safety concerns,” he said, and discuss “if it is in the best interest to continue with the original plan or to change that plan.”

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Mar 25, 2008 12:05 PM
Would allowing ONLY passenger vehicles and emeregency vehicles on the bridge allow 2 lanes to stay open?

All Semi's, Commercial Vehicles, Trucks with tailers... would have to use the detour.

Just a thought.
Get-r-done
Mar 25, 2008 12:16 PM
Let the NDOR tear it down and get this over with. Don't spend another 10 years discussing and negotiating and dragging your feet.
From Schuyler
Mar 25, 2008 1:10 PM
Do they really think trucks coming from the East will turn at Schuyler? I would think it would be a lot quicker to take the 23rd ave detour.
Engineer
Mar 25, 2008 2:03 PM
It sounds like the best answer would be to built a temp crossing by the existing viaduct to allow traffic to flow down the streets that were designed to take the flow. It would be bad to try to cram that traffic down 8th and 23rd (yes,in front of both schools). The intersection at 23-23 would be awful if this plan was followed as well. It will be well worth the money to build a temp at-grade crossing!
hmmm,just thinking
Mar 25, 2008 4:38 PM
What a joke. This appears to me as a disaster waiting to happen. Whether it be a total collapse of the viaduct, or a major traffic accident involving pedestrians on 23rd av. with the increase of traffic due to the detour. Must the "brains" in this scheme be reminded that this avenue has a school, a church, a post office, and numerous other businesses in this vicinity, and realistically with this being a detour route, will have several large trucks,and triple traffic flow. So,, why in the hell, did this just now become a concern reference the deteriation. If this viaduct has been monitored regularly, would it not have been noticed before it got to this point? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that somewhere, somehow,, and someone dropped the ball on this one.Hope this city has good liability insurance.
Every thing is coming up roses
Mar 25, 2008 4:46 PM
How could the rebuild a major portion of the Interstate system in San Francisco after the eartquake in 9 months and a simple f 4 lane viaduct? Must be the same construction company that is doing the by-pass around Fremont that has taken the past 25 years.
Mike3
Mar 25, 2008 5:04 PM
An "at grade" crossing would never work with the 12 sets of tracks that exist under the viaduct. Besides, UP owns that property and they would never go for it. It would interrupt the switch yard.
don't forget
Mar 25, 2008 5:37 PM
Theirs a bridge at Monroe that truckers can use too
Concerned Citizen
Mar 25, 2008 5:42 PM
So...where do they think all the backup traffic is supposed to sit when everyone tries to use 23rd ave. and there is a train(s). We all know the semis will try to go through Columbus and use 23rd instead of the detour. This will cause alot of backup at the railroad tracks not to mention the heavy flow of traffic right by the middle school and Emerson Elementary. Not a good thing. This was not thought through well. Also, why wasn't the viaduct checked on a regular basis? Makes me want to vote NO on any more viaducts if that's the way they will be taken care of. This is costing the city alot more money than if it had been inspected and taken care of regularly. Seems kinda familiar. Remember the problem with the city pool?
Drak
Mar 25, 2008 5:54 PM
That Bellwood Bridge would come in handy about now,huh.
cacher
Mar 25, 2008 8:13 PM
Quick question. Who's idea are these detours? Who came up with these routes? We spent all that money on Engineering firms to study where we needed viaducts, how about someone other than our City Engineer and Officials reviewing this? I don't claim to be one and none of these people are city planners or engineers specializing in traffic flow. This is the same reason the 23rd ave viaduct was being so vehemently opposed. You will be dropping now not only the traffic from the closed crossings into two school zones, but traffic from Highway 81. What is wrong with you people!?!?!!
just me
Mar 25, 2008 9:05 PM
I seen the hole in the viaduct in February. Doesn't make you feel real safe when you drive over it a few times a day. To bad another viaduct couldn't have been decided on years ago, so a detour wouldn't be such an issue.
sandy
Mar 25, 2008 9:32 PM
Columbus has a short memory, or atleast I haven't heard anyone mention the fact that this is the same detour that was used when they built the present viaduct. It was the pits then, and it will be again, especially with as much traffic as there is now, compared to then, not to mention the increase in railroad traffic. But then, if Columbus hadn't spent the last 20 years dinking around on where to build viaducts, there could atleast be a part of the problem solved and traffic could atleast avoid the railroad traffic. What would have helped the most is if an east bypass would have been built from the south side of White Tail Lake across the Loup to a bypass and viaduct built on the west side of BD's East Plant to the Walmart expressway!!!!!
Trucker Two
Mar 25, 2008 10:09 PM
Don't Forget commented that truckers can use the Monroe Bridge. That bridge is only a 40 Ton bridge. Some of the trucks that come thru Columbus ar hauling around 44 to 45 ton. That would not work either unless the state raised the gross rate for the bridge.
bc
Mar 26, 2008 12:03 AM
Living south of Columbus, I can see I'll be doing more business in Seward and Lincoln for about 10 months - who wants to put up with construction hassles for that long? Like someone else mentioned - a Bellwood bridge sure would have been nice!
Why now?
Mar 26, 2008 9:14 AM
I find it unimaginable that the structural engineers didn't notice this problem until now. I have a feeling that this was most likely known much earlier, but in order to not be accused of "fear mongering" the public before the viaduct vote, this information was held back. If this information had been told before the vote, we would have blamed the city and state of trying to scare us into building more viaducts. This should do a lot to get new retail business's to seriously run away from this city for the next 1-2 years.
SeenUrComing
Mar 26, 2008 9:29 AM
and we think the choo-choo trains go slow through town now?

Wait'll the traffic is so backed up on 23rd ave and back west on 8th street! 5 mph will seem fast then!

oh, woe is us, for not acting on the Viaduct issue years before!
...and not only that!
Mar 26, 2008 12:11 PM
With construction of a replacement viaduct taking place, U.P trains will
most likely have a speed limit imposed
while traveling through the area. This will cause a back-up of trains that will now be one right after the other.
With train traffic in two directions, the 'window' for detoured at-grade crossing traffic will pathetic.
.............. What a mess.
Positive_Spin
Mar 26, 2008 12:47 PM
It doesn't seem like anyone is considering the positive side of this detour. By forcing traffic through the downtown area we will be bringing many more potential shoppers to our eclectic variety of stores. I would assume that a percentage of these drivers will deviate from the route to avoid traffic jams. These individuals will find themselves on Historic 11th & 13th streets where they probably wouldn't have gone if not for the detour. I for one know that if I were driving through a town and accidentally came across a shoppers delight as we have, I would reschedule my time so I could spend a few hours browsing & shopping. This might be just what we needed to get the word out about one of Nebraska's best kept secrets.
Get a move on Columbus
Mar 26, 2008 12:48 PM
Now is be the time for wiser minds to control what is going to happen than to dink around concerning what has already happened. The past has passed. Several of you have asked a very valid question; why is this such a sudden and serious problem? GO TO THE COUNCIL MEETING AND DEMAND AN ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. If they do not answer, keep asking. If they will not give you a direct or decent answer, you know what to do next election and follow through on it to vote them out.
THE VIADUCT IS NOT GOING TO HEAL, IT NEEDS TO GO AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE BUT ANOTHER MUST BE BUILT IN IT'S PLACE. Columbus is small but with all of the heavy truck traffic (thanks Bill Clinton's NAFTA), the detour within the town is not the answer. If I drove a truck, yes-I WOULD detour when I was at Schuyler. The last thing I would want to do is waste gas and time sitting in a LONG line of traffic just because people refuse to look past their noses until they have no choice but to do so.
Elmer Fuddpucker
Mar 26, 2008 1:26 PM
Try this one on for size:

23rd Avenue becomes a temporary one-way southbound street from 23rd Street to 8th Street. 26th Avenue becomes a temporary one-way northbound street from 8th to 23rd Street. Run the detour on those two strets. Having two lanes in each direction would double the number of cars that will be able to get through each stoplight and rail crossing.

There's no easy solution to this whole problem but it's going to have to be dealt with one way or another. The 1978-79 detour on 23rd Avenue was a mess, and with increased traffic on both Highways 81 and 30, this detour will be an even bigger mess.
Gem4
Mar 26, 2008 2:16 PM
Just one more reason to back Sen Stuthman's bridge project. Get with it Columbus!
westerheimer
Mar 26, 2008 4:29 PM
Eclectic arrangement of stores downtown??? If they were so eclectic and special and worthwhile then don't you think most of the businesses down there would be able to survive longer than a year or two? Open some better shops down there if you want people to make downtown a destination.
Mike3
Mar 26, 2008 4:48 PM
Elmer's idea of making 23rd and 26th one way streets is a very good one. However, I would switch the directions so the traffic doesn't have to cross each others path.
klem
Mar 26, 2008 5:45 PM
Mike, Elmer. Great idea. I'm just wondering if 26th Ave road surface could take the punishment. After all, even if most trucks use the out-of-town detours, there will be those few that actually have to go through town.
matt
Mar 26, 2008 9:34 PM
I love the idea of one way's on 26th and 23rd avenue. I'm pretty sure a few years ago the city floated the idea of doing that permanently...as well as making one ways out of 15th and 16th streets. I was always intrigued when I heard that from my relative that works for the street department. However, it would be better if 23rd and 26th were side by side.
reality check
Mar 26, 2008 9:47 PM
I like the idea of using both 26th and 23rd aves as the detour routes. BOTH will require left turn signals at 23rd Street first, and both will have to be repaired after. They will both get trashed with all the extra traffic. 26th just got resurfaced a couple years ago, it is in better shape than 23rd. Doesn't really matter though, the City powers aren't going to want all that traffic running past the fire station and the senior center. They don't care if more traffic is going past a bunch of school kids, they have proven that by wanting to triple the traffic on 23rd with a viaduct. No matter what we do, there just doesn't seem to be a choice but to reroute truck traffic around town instead of through it. Can you imagine trying to get one of those trucks with the windmill blades around the corner at the intersections? So much for the nice new Walgreens! Even if we did have another viaduct built, it would still cause issues with traffic on 8th street and 3rd or wherever the viaduct was. And don't forget folks, YOUR votes (not mine thank you) just gave us this problem on two more viaducts in a few years. Do you think that the city planners are going to be super diligent about maintenance and we won't have chunks falling out of those viaducts a few years down the road? Remember- these are the same people who brought you the current viaduct issue, the pool, third avenue, an empty fire station....
Yazzer
Mar 26, 2008 10:16 PM
"Shoppers Delight" "Eclectic Variety of Stores" where? Not Columbus's Downtown! If there is, they're only open 9-5.
Complex Logic
Mar 27, 2008 10:00 AM
How many of you who are complaining about city negligence realize this is a state road and state structure?
One-Ways
Mar 27, 2008 10:14 AM
Sandy, I will have to admit, I do not remember when the bridge was first built. I was not around in 1930. "The viaduct, built in 1930 and widened in 1978, carried about 20,000 vehicles each day in 2006."

As for the One-Way I was going to suggest that. They should also do away with the stop signs just before and after the crossings.

For the people that complain about the one-ways, tough. Read the signs. If you can not read then you should not be on the road. I just feel sorry for the people that live on those roads.
Huh
Mar 27, 2008 12:42 PM
Shoppers delight...Hah. Many of us do not have $$ to use for delightful shopping. We are just looking for basics and perhaps will spend a small amount more for something we like rather than the wally world version. We can't afford the eclectic shops, so we don't even go in.
good idea Elmer
Mar 27, 2008 12:54 PM
Do the avenues between 23rd and 26th go straight through too? If so, one of them should be set up for one direction and whichever one is next to it, one way in the opposite direction.
klem
Mar 27, 2008 1:03 PM
22nd Ave and 24th Ave don't go all the way through - post office and middle school on 24th and no crossing on 22nd. BUT 26th Ave and 27th Ave do. Good alternate to 23rd Ave but would probably have to ban curb-side parking on 27th.
8th street resident
Mar 27, 2008 3:07 PM
The state can pay for 8th st and 23rd ave. street repairs also. They knew this viaduct had problems and waited to the last minute to address them. I urge 8th street and 23rd ave. residents to speak up against semi traffic on our streets. I wonder how many curbs and lawns will be ruined by semis trying to turn from 8th to 23rd and the debacle of traffic in front of the middle school. I can remember a short time ago everyone was worried about safety, well this is a huge safety concern for the children of Emerson, and Middle school. Will the south side fire station be manned now? Will there be a traffic light on 8th st. and 23rd ave? What about 23rd and 23rd a turning light be put in? These are just some of the questions that need to be addressed.
Yazzer
Mar 27, 2008 3:18 PM
In a month or so 27th Ave will be permanently closed. Not a smart idea right now.
mike
Mar 28, 2008 11:22 AM
Oh boy here we go all u people living on 8th st whinning and crying about trucks on their street just think 4 one min before u start. This is a blue collar town based on the trucking industry. its not our fault something hasnt been done with the viadat its city of columbus's. If they wouldn't be scared of u whiners in this town they would of just built the new ones along time ago!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
geoluckycharm
Mar 29, 2008 12:11 PM
I live near 23rd Ave. The traffic is terrible when school is in session as it is. Then they want to cram more cars and trucks into this area. Through two school zones which by the way are not marked with flashing lights, reduced speed during school drop off times. I thought safety was supposed to be the main concern. Where is the concern with this detour.
How will they make it safe for the children?
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