Accessibility concerns for pedestrians noted

By Adrian Sanchez asanchez@columbustelegram.com
Wednesday, Jan 09, 2008 - 03:40:03 pm CST

COLUMBUS -- The accessibility of the Third, 12th and 18th avenue viaducts for pedestrians is a concern to some community residents.

Officials say the layout and design of the Phase I viaducts, to be voted on Tuesday, were created to minimize the impact and maximize pedestrian usage.

The 18th Avenue pedestrian overpass, the designs show, is an open structure that would stretch from the northwest corner of 12th Street and 18th Avenue to south of 14th Street at 18th Avenue.

Each of the 500 foot ramps will have railing and an incline of 5 percent, meaning a 5-foot rise for every 100 feet in length. The Americans with Disabilities Act requires grades of 7.1 percent or less.

The bridge over the railroad tracks, which will be lined with fencing and open at the top, will spans 120 feet with a total length of 1,120 feet, when the winding sections are included. Upon exiting the north side landing the sidewalk will split east and west around a cul-de-sac.

With some concern about what types of transportation will be allowed to utilize the structure, City Administrator Joseph Mangiamelli said reasonable and appropriate use will be expected.

“Obviously walkers and bicyclists because it is designed to accommodate them” with 10-foot-wide sidewalks, Mangiamelli said. A residential sidewalk is four feet wide. “Skateboarders may try to use it, but if it becomes a problem we may have to regulate use. (Also,) no motorized vehicles will be allowed outside of a person with a wheel chair.”

Fencing has also been a contentious issue surrounding this issue.

“When fencing along the railroad right-of-way was made a part of the project there was a concern from a large number of elected officials and community members that fencing (at each structure) was going to be an eye sore, litter collector and be a separator of the community,” Mangiamelli said.

But through further research and efforts by consulting engineers, fencing would only be required at the pedestrian overpass.

The fence, which would stand at least 5 feet in height, would stretch approximately 500 feet east and 500 feet west from the pedestrian overpass on both the north and south sides of the railroad right-of-way.

Currently there is no physical barrier preventing people from walking across the tracks, only legal repercussions to stop people from doing so.

Mangiamelli said the fencing is required, because if the state and railroad are investing dollars to get people and vehicles across the tracks safely they want to put mechanisms in place that will encourage use of those structures.

Although no homes will be removed as a result of the 18th Avenue pedestrian overpass, the 12th Avenue structure will require 14 homes and another 14 partial pieces of property to be taken and create six isolated parcels.

The 12th Avenue viaduct will stretch from the north end of 16th Street to just south of 10th Street and include a turnoff for access to the city cemetery located south of the railroad tracks.

The total length of the structure is about 1,650 feet from where the profile of road goes up to where the profile of road comes back down with the 5 grade limited to approximately 375 feet on the south side of the tracks and approximately 400 feet on the north side.

The current 33rd Avenue viaduct slope is shy of a 5.68 percent grade on the south side of the tracks and slightly more than a 5.74 percent grade on the north side or 5.68 feet and 5.74 feet in rise, respectively, for every 100 feet in length.

According to HDR Inc., the curvature of the structure to the west would be implemented to “avoid impacts to the cemeteries, Loup Power District and utilities. The curved alignment also allows more gradual grades to be used to provide better access for pedestrians and bicyclists. A curved alignment would be easier to construct than a straight alignment because of the closeness of the cemeteries on the east and other buildings on the west. Due to these factors, a curved alignment would cost less than a straight alignment.”

The proposed 12th Avenue viaduct bend about 310 feet to the west of 12th Avenue.

The Third Avenue structure would extend about 1,620 feet in length with the 5 percent grade limited to approximately 350 feet on the south side of the tracks and approximately 450 feet on the north side. It would include an access road for Ag Park and the commercial properties south of the railroad tracks.

The Third Avenue viaduct will curve to the east up to 150 feet at the bridge of structure from Third Avenue to “avoid impacts to Ag Park and the commercial properties south of the (Union Pacific Railroad) tracks. Access to these properties could not be provided if the alignment went straight,” according to HDR.

Both viaducts will include sidewalks ” along the west side of the Third and 12th Avenue viaducts ” which will be 10 feet wide on the bridge and 5 feet wide off the bridge of the structures.

Both will be two-lane structures, one landing in each direction, with a center turn lane to be included off the bridges of both structures.

For all three structures, the piers supporting them will be located outside the railroad right-of-way. The railroad right-of-way extends approximately 100 feet.

“There will be no columns between tracks. They will be just off the right-of-way ... so if there is a derailment there is nothing to hit, hopefully,” Lindahl said.

Although not every detail has been analyzed or formalized, Mangiamelli said what has been presented at the public meetings is what the city intends to move forward with if the projects are approved.

“Have we anticipated every ‘what if’ right now? No. Will they be addressed in the design? I certainly hope so,” he said. The “alignment will not change and basic concepts will not change. (Following approval by voters) we are going to be in a mode of pursuing actual designs and want to proceed with as much haste and care as possible.”

Following voter approval, the city would continue to be open to citizen input and the designs will be presented to the public and subject to citizen review.

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tg
Jan 9, 2008 1:49 PM
Gees, it would most likely be cheaper to install an elevator at each end than to build the maze that this looks like. I'm "SURE" nobody would cut across the tracks rather than navigate an extra mile just to cross this monstrosity.
...
Jan 9, 2008 3:58 PM
“Obviously walkers and bicyclists because it is designed to accommodate them” with 10-foot-wide sidewalks, Mangiamelli said. A residential sidewalk is four feet wide. “Skateboarders may try to use it, but if it becomes a problem we may have to regulate use"

Of course there is going to be skateboarders on it. If you haven't noticed it is also a sport in our community. There is no reason this should have been stated.
...
Jan 9, 2008 4:00 PM
“Obviously walkers and bicyclists because it is designed to accommodate them” with 10-foot-wide sidewalks, Mangiamelli said. A residential sidewalk is four feet wide. “Skateboarders may try to use it, but if it becomes a problem we may have to regulate use"

Of course there is going to be skateboarders on it. If you haven't noticed it is also a sport in our community. There is no reason this should have been stated.
former resident
Jan 9, 2008 4:26 PM
as opposed to a winding walkway which would consume countless dollars in T&M. (time and materials) why don't you make it straight and start it on, oh I don't know, maybe 8th ST, and let it end around 23rd ST, it might be a shorter overall distance, and 10 feet wide, since the sidewalk issue from Centenial School was kind of a mess, maybe we should re-think this 10 foot wide walkway. If two people, cannot pass by each other, even in wheel chairs, in less than a 6 foot span, lay off the cheeseburgers. Who draws up the things anyway?
...
Jan 9, 2008 4:42 PM
What is the problem with skateboaders going on it. This is also another way of transportation, it just takes more skill.
former resident
Jan 9, 2008 5:14 PM
To: ...

didn't say anything about skateboarders. Now I will. 10 feet for skill...4 feet for courtesy. I just saved the city 6 feet x 1120 feet in materials and labor! Score is now: Skateboarders 0, Common Sense 1.
rob g
Jan 9, 2008 5:45 PM
This "thing" is going to be the laughing stock of the entire state. Why can't Columbus learn from Grand Island about how to keep crossing's open in a sensible way?
vote no
Jan 9, 2008 7:17 PM
Is the UP going to move the snow off of it? I doubt it. Keep on adding up the cost with the wasted gas driving around it, wasted manpower, maintanace, etc, etc. and everything else involved, and Columbus residents will be paying 100% of the actual cost in less than 20 years! So why not just pay the money upfront and get something good for Columbus, like a 3rd avenue viaduct with no closings!
sw
Jan 9, 2008 9:38 PM
I think the design is appropriate for the disabled and for bicyclists but should include stairways on both ends for the folks who do not want to walk an extra 3 blocks to make a crossing of less than 1/2 block.
Just me
Jan 9, 2008 10:20 PM
Can somebody show me anywhere in this state that has anything remotely like this. I've traveled the country quite a bit, and can't recall seeing anything that even comes close to the size of this structure. How much is this going to cost us. I thought that would have been included in this in-depth article, but I guess the Telegram doesn't want to divulge too much information.
bright idea
Jan 9, 2008 10:23 PM
Hey, I think I'll take my two kids down to this, and have them set up lemonade stands on each end at the top. I'm sure they could make a killing selling to all the people who will be exhausted by the time they get to the top and will need a drink. Maybe they can pay for their college tuition!
Very Beautiful
Jan 10, 2008 7:29 AM
For those who can appreciate overpass design, this will be a beautiful addition to a long stretch of tracks thru our town. Add some lighting and it could look like the access ramps built with all new stadiums. Get with the Progress part of this project. This certainly is not the first pedestrian overpass constructed over busy roads or tracks and won't be the last.
Cacher
Jan 10, 2008 8:54 AM
Unfortunately I have seen these monstrosities in our state (Between Kearney & North Platte on Highway 30) and they are as big an eyesore as everyone thinks they will be. One thing that amazes me is that common sense gets thrown out the window on these designs. There is no reason (Except for additional costs) that sets of stairs with landings could not be built adjacent to the ramps and connect to the top of the walkway so those who do not need the handicap access could use these to shorten the walk.
...
Jan 10, 2008 8:57 AM
Former resident, what are you talking about. My comment had nothing to do with what you were saying. I was stating my opinion regarding the article.Of course they don't need 10 feet to skateboard. And if your name is describing you, why do you care what our overpass looks like. I agree that this looks very expensive but do I care that much, no. I was simply stating skateboarding should not be singled out as might being a problem. This town needs to realize skateboading is also a means of transportation and a sport. Look at the skate park. You cannot even turn on the lights at night, but you can in the softball fields.
Safety First
Jan 10, 2008 9:06 AM
Sounds like a good place to get mugged.
good grief
Jan 10, 2008 10:38 AM
Hey "vote no" -- guess what: the railroad and the state are going to close some crossings at some point, whether or not the viaducts are built. There is no "3rd Ave viaduct with no closings" option. Plus, building one viaduct 30 blocks away from the other one does nothing to address the public safety issue for most of the people south of the tracks and in-between. I'd have to have a heart attack at say, 8th St. and 26th Ave, and die because the ambulance had to detour around a train. Of course, none of the boo-birds here ever think of the important stuff.
Realist
Jan 10, 2008 10:47 AM
You know, the intent is there and it is a way to beautify and encourage walking in our city. The tracks were here before you and will be after you. You can't blame the city for trying. I also have an idea, why don't all the people who are way too olf fashioned and narrow minded move to a part of the city where you don't have to be bothered and the rest of the community who appreciates, want change, and encourage ideas to live in the rest of the city so we can dream and take chances in improving our city and bring back lost companies and citizens who moved because you do not want to dream a little and take a chance. The more I listen the more I realize that when I am done with college, I do not want to come back to a community who dares not dream but rather bring industry which creates massive pollution and crime. Makes sense. No wonder downtown is beautified and then lost.
what a mess
Jan 10, 2008 1:03 PM
"Realist"- Do you understand that in one paragraph you said we should build this to "bring back lost companies and citizens who moved" then said YOU won't move back here after college because all we bring in is "industry which creates mass pollution and crime"? Don't you think you are being a bit hypocritical?
"Good Grief"- There IS a very viable 3rd avenue viaduct with no closed crossings option. Its called PAY FOR IT OURSELVES. The State and RR are only involved in this because we asked them to be. They are NOT mandating we build viaducts. If we aren't using their money they really don't care, its not State roads. The railroad is NOT threatening to close crossings if we don't build these things. They are thrilled that we are willing to roll over and close the crossings because they can do whatever they darn well please and use our city center as a switchyard if we do. And as far as the 'safety' issue- put a crew in at the south fire station and emergency response time won't be any different for anyone on the south side than it is for anyone else in Columbus.
Realist
Jan 10, 2008 3:36 PM
To what a mess: If you really read my post accurately, I said that it is a great idea to start thinking outside the box and start brainstorming about ideas that could help the city with pedestian issues. I think that it would be nice because it would attract walkers to do more walking as well as promote healthy ideas in our community. I stated that I want to have this thinking and it is great.
I also stated that I am very frustrated about this city because all old fashioned citizens who do not and will not change are running the program. They do not want to see the city grow as well as a city that is attractive instead of focusing on bringing in industry only. That is frustrating and it is bad. Look what has happened to our "historic downtown!" We spent all that money on refurbishing and keeping frankfurt square looking awesome and the only traffic we see is the courts, law enforcement, fire department, tooleys, and some stores who have big kahunas to stay down there and believe in downtown columbus. I applaud them. We have lost so many businesses because we don't want to change. Look at Wal-Mart and what they have done to columbus. They have left two empty buildings in the heart of columbus for all to see and you know that they will not do a darn thing to help bring other businesses to columbus. IF I stated it as a hypocrite but my intention was not to at all. This is getting crazy that we can't beautify our city at all without someone complaining and then someone saying a smart remark like getting mugged. It is sad!!!!!!
Confused
Jan 10, 2008 4:34 PM
Realist: How is building three new viaducts and a pedestrian bridge that is a monstrously large eyesore beautifying Columbus? Not only are THEY UGLY they are going to create sections of the town that are virtual wastelands that no one is going to want to do business in them let alone live in or near them.
Realist
Jan 10, 2008 5:29 PM
To Confused: I do understand why you are confused because if you read my original post, it was about being able to put ideas (like a pedestrian) out there to talk about. Do I think that that we need three new viaducts in town, I do not know because I never touched that issue in my post. The point is being missed here. If you consider a pedestrian walkway as a viaduct then we need to really watch what we say because anything anyone says will become misinterpreted and exploited. I know that I am an avid jogger who works out and likes to in the summer and it would be nice to be able to have a pedestrian walkway to continue my workout instead of waiting who knows how long for train(s) to pass or switch cars. And that is not to mention the emergency vehicles, business vehicles, etc. that are being held up. I am purely saying. Is it feesable, don't know. But, I am saying that this is a start in terms of having things being thrown out there that can help eliviate problems. If you want to be honest, what do many people care about a viaduct or two in town or close to because you all do your shopping out of town and out on the way east side of columbus. If you were truely worried and concerned then you would be finding ways to keep downtown flourishing with businesses and how joe and al's would be a main staple to the whole community for groceries and stuff.
kitty
Jan 10, 2008 5:56 PM
With this monstrosity, you will have even more people crossing when and where they shouldn't. Its another plunge--dingdingdingdingding! Back to the drawing board. Here's an idea. Why not cancel this whole thought, man your southside fire&police substations, leave all crossings open, build one viaduct or overpass at 3rd-- if you must, no fences, and pay for it yourselves.
Confused
Jan 10, 2008 6:26 PM
To Realist: I do support the downtown. I work downtown and i do most of my shopping downtown. I don't go to the east side of town unless I have to. And that is very rarely because I can find most everything that I need downtown. Progress should be about keeping the downtown flourishing like other towns' downtowns. People come from all different counties around us just because they love coming downtown to shop. By putting up viaducts and closing crossings you are seperating the town into different sections and funneling traffic to the east side, and away from wonderful, locally owned and operated businesses. This is not the "Progress" which you say you are for; this is expansion to the east, and suffocation of downtown, north and south sides of the tracks.
Realist
Jan 11, 2008 8:35 AM
Confused: You are very confused my friend and that is to be expected. I simply stated and if you read my original post, you will see it. I said that it is a great idea to have the city start thinking about ideas to help the city. ONE way I though that is unique is a walkway that will promote walking and healthier alternatives to get around columbs. That is what this post is all about. You want to put a viaduct issue in a column which is about a PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY! Now, if you really believe that a walkway is going to seperate and segregate the city, then I truely would love to hear your reasons becuase I am sure that they are good. That is what my original post was about and I also stated that I am glad that the city is taking steps to think about ways to help beautify and increase visiting and profit by adding on to downtown. I really want to hear your response to this.
Disbelief
Jan 11, 2008 9:07 AM
OK, I am one of the "undecided" on this issue right now and am trying to see all sides in order to make an informed decision (I do live on the south side). As a person who uses 18th avenue, at least twice daily, I was reading this article and opinions - interesting enough and then realized I must have missed the "sample" of what it will look so I scrolled up to take a look...YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!! That is the ugliest and strangest thing I have ever seen - has disaster written all over it! Wow, I'd hate to think that I may be all for the viaduct(s) but this "thing" changes my mind...lots of thinking to do.
Beautiful-NOT
Jan 11, 2008 12:37 PM
Okay-Just watched the video and I have to say they are going all out with the beautiful Pachabel Canon in D playing in the background--Just one question--Where are all the kids skateboarding down this structure, where are all the people getting mugged trying to cross this at night?--Call me cynical-but I say we shut down the skateboard park at Gerard if we haven't already because this will turn out to be the greatest skateboard park ever imagined.
Clue #1
Jan 11, 2008 4:05 PM
If you want to see the theme of our new pedestrian overpass, just drive out to the pedstrian bridge at our walking path near 48th over the Loup canal or take a look at the bridge that was moved into Christopher Cove. Neat & historic designs with a common theme here folks. Trust me, from a design aspect, these things could look much cheaper/uglier if that is the goal.
Clue #2
Jan 11, 2008 4:11 PM
There is a railroad bridge west of town over the Loup with similar design. Check out the HWY bridge south of town over the Loup that resembles this one. Anyone else picking up on the reason this looks good for Columbus??
Clue #3
Jan 11, 2008 4:27 PM
The location of this overpass will never be a focal point of our city. This design certainly will not damage the looks/use of that area. Just need to get a few people up and over the tracks somewhere south of our schools. It's time to call the glass half-full and encourage your friends to vote YES too!
rob g
Jan 12, 2008 8:24 AM
Cluless, are you blind too!
Realist
Jan 12, 2008 9:33 AM
To Beautiful-Not: Ok, whether you are being saracastic or not, that would be the dumbest thing in the world to do is close the skate park (joking or not). I do not prefer to watch the sport but it is a sport and there are many great athlete and people who do skateboard. If you decide to close the park then you will have all those kids doing exactly what you are saying they will do. It sounds to me that you are claiming that your side of the tracks is a crime area and that criminals possibly live there. It is no different from any other city, as much as I do not believe and trust the CPD, I do know that it would be monitored well and even could install cameras. I will again reiterate that I am not totally for it, but I do appreciate the brainstorming that the city is doing and it does promote walking and heathy exercise in our city. I want to finally say this and I can't believe that I am saying this, but leave the skateboarders alone. They have done nothing to you and you are labeling them. You do not know all skateboarders and may of them are successful kids who chose that type of sport. It is big on espn and it draws a lot of interest and it is a risky sport. Sounds to me like you are judgemental. Too bad for you and I feel sorry for you. If I am completely wrong, then please clarify yourself and I will completely apologize to you.
Beautiful-NOT
Jan 12, 2008 8:17 PM
Realist--Okay, I'm not inferring that skateboarders are thugs and going to mug people. What I am saying is that this will be a natural draw to kids who want to skateboard and to try something new. Believe me, I've been there. I grew up in a metropolitan area and hung out with the skate crowd, (and yes most of us have turned out to be successful)--we would go anywhere for something that was somewhat extreme and just seeing this structure would make me want to try this out if I was still any type of ripper. I'm also not saying that they should shut down the course that they have now, but I know that till the newness wears off, the overpass will be the prefered place to go. As far as the thug thing goes, I really do see this as being a potential problem. With the police having further to go to get to the south side of the tracks, on a early dark winter night--I really can see this as being an issue. No I not stereotyping the south side as being more criminal than the north, I'm just trying to look at this realistically. Sorry if I offended you, but truly I do see these things as being real possiblities. Grind on Dude!
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