Woman believes delayed ambulance may have cost her brother his life

By Adrian Sanchez asanchez@columbustelegram.com
Saturday, Jan 05, 2008 - 11:34:56 pm CST

COLUMBUS -- Joyce White believes that if an ambulance would have had open access to her brother’s southside home when his heart failed he would be alive today.

James “Big Jim” H. McKee Jr., White’s brother, lived on Sixth Street near 12th Avenue in 1997. Just after midnight on Aug. 11, 1997, he began feeling ill -- the onset of a heart attack.

He called his sister who lived across the street. She called 911, and an ambulance was dispatched.

She listened for a siren piercing the summer night air but heard nothing. She called 911 a second time and was told the ambulance was delayed because of a train. McKee, she said, died on the way to hospital.

White said she wonders what might have been had the ambulance arrived sooner ... if her brother would have had a greater chance for survival.

“I always believed if a train wouldn’t have been there, the ambulance would have got there sooner and there is a chance he might be here today,” she said. “We lost our brother, he was the closest thing to me.”

According to the American Heart Association:

n Brain death starts to occur four to six minutes after someone experiences cardiac arrest if no critical care is received.

n A sudden cardiac arrest victim’s chances of survival falls 7 to 10 percent for every minute of delay.

n Few attempts at resuscitation are successful if critical care is not provided within minutes of collapse.

n About 75 percent to 80 percent of all out-of-hospital cardiac arrests happen at home.

White does not want other people to face the lingering questions she has. She is advocating the passage of the current proposal for viaducts at Third and 12th Avenues.

“People have to realize if help to the south side is halted by a train, precious time is lost,” she said, creating a delay that could mean life or death.

According to Police Chief William Gumm, emergency response delays of fire department and police department services are a weekly occurrence.

“If it’s a report of a stolen bike it’s not a big deal. If it is a crime in progress, medical emergency or fire, it is,” Gumm said.

One of the potentially more serious instances was detailed in a Feb. 3, 2007, e-mail from the police chief to city officials. The e-mail provided to The Telegram said:

“In the interest of police officer (and citizen) safety, WE NEED ADDITIONAL VIADUCTS. At about 2:30 this morning, the Police Department received a report of an armed robbery in the area of Ag Park.

“The two nearest police units responded -- one located the victim fairly quickly and, as the second unit responded, he located the suspect vehicle fleeing the area -- with THREE suspects.

“The officer initiated a felony stop and then had to wait about 5 minutes waiting for backup. Backup officers were delayed by a train passing through town -- officers had to race the length of the railroad or back track to find a crossing that wasn’t blocked.

“Felony stops are high risk traffic stops -- they are not traffic stops of a little old lady with a broken headlight -- guns are out and pointed at people. In order to control the situation, we want to overwhelm the suspects with a show of force and take them into custody as quickly as possible. The longer the situation remains static, the more likely one of the suspects may think that they can either escape or attack the officer. If someone had sneezed this morning, we could have either had an officer assaulted or a suspect shot!

“We need viaduct access to best serve the public, and protect our officers.”

Gumm said such instances are at least an annual occurrence.

Fire Chief Dean Hefti said train delays can extend response times by a couple of minutes by a fire truck or ambulance being forced to reroute to the 33rd Avenue viaduct.

“By going west to travel to the eastern part of town ... our response times are going to be two to three minutes longer because we have to go to 33rd Avenue to get across if there is a train,” Hefti said.

He said Third and 12th Avenue viaducts would allow a new routing map to efficiently access areas in the south side.

Some have argued that viaducts would limit the access points for emergency responders because of the chance traffic congestion on the two-lane viaducts would prevent the emergency vehicles to pass.

Gumm said he does not see that as a problem.

“Even if it’s single lane each way there is still room in the middle for us to go,” he said. “They will not be a hindrance, (but rather) the viaducts will be used as a matter of course rather than surface crossings.”

Gumm has publicly advocated for passage of this proposal and said he will maintain his support for additional viaducts until they are constructed.

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Some Sense
Jan 6, 2008 1:09 AM
See? Even more of a reason to vote FOR viaducts. It's the least Columbus can do since the town lacks in many other areas such as retail and city streets (3rd Ave on the South side of the tracks)
I agree
Jan 6, 2008 8:44 AM
Do you want that to be your family member? It is not a matter of if it will happen again but when. The critical care comes from ALS service from trained paramedics and not all calls for an ambulance may be staffed by the ALS service.
Wake up
Jan 6, 2008 8:57 AM
All of you who think we do need need more viaducts read this article !
I think that's a load...
Jan 6, 2008 9:49 AM
Well wouldn't it cost less for us to load up the fire house on the southside...Brain damage starts to occur 4 to 6 minutes after cardiac arrest, isn't the the normal response time for south side residences?

So what is the south side supposed to do....18th avenue is a pivital crossing for all traffic from the south side...23rd avenue is also crowded before school...so if they cross both there will be MORE traffic on what? 12th avenue? 21st? There is no way this'll work. O but I'm not being reasonable since i live on the southside and ALL of the representatives live on the NORTHSIDE. So i propose they get their heads out of their butts and LISTEN..not think they know everything LISTEN
I AGREE
Jan 6, 2008 10:18 AM
As a former resident of Columbus and now a resident of Kearney, I see exactly what difference the new viaducts would mean. We have four in Kearney and I'm sure its meant a life saver for someone at some point. Lets go Columbus get with the times!!
rob g
Jan 6, 2008 10:27 AM
The Telegram needs to resort to scaring old people, this obviously shows their desperation! Use the money to staff the southside fire station if safety is really the issue. I think we all know that safety is not the issue, these people are shamefull with their tactics. Low character leaders like we currently have can not be trusted to spend any more of our tax money on a project as large as this! Vote this down and vote for new leaders who can negotiate a better plan for Columbus!
big picture
Jan 6, 2008 11:31 AM
There is always more than one reason for any problem. Some may not be as important to others. Not only is the time factor and route important to EMS but the traffic issues with long back ups at intersections at key times during the day and the pedestrian safety issues can be considered. Unless you are a hermit and never venture out of your house we all must get caught up in the line at rr crossings in the am or at times throughout the day. And the lack of traffic flow in this town is horrendous. I avoid the intersection of 23rd ave and 15th street. We need to quit arguing over each individual reason and just build the viaducts. I just wish we would do it without the help of UP. They need no more influence in this town.
Cacher
Jan 6, 2008 11:40 AM
If response time is so critical why not save the taxpayers millions of dollars and staff the South Side station?!? Using your own logic, wouldn't this also save lives by having the response personnel closer to the problem to minimize the response time? Oh and using someones death as a pawn to help push the Telegrams agenda of the viaduct is just another disgusting move on this papers part!!
Confused?
Jan 6, 2008 1:11 PM
It sure seems the Telegram has it's on lean on this issue, i would like to see an article for an againist each time one is published, as I see it none of the proposed viaduct are any closer than the current viaduct from the fire station.
Some Sense
Jan 6, 2008 3:48 PM
To: I think that's a load,

Get up earlier. Take the initiative and take your kids to school early. If you don't have kids, well, take a different route so your not adding to the traffic. You're sure representing everyone who lives on the "southside". What a measly way of making people on the southside look less of those who live on the northside. There isn't any difference between people on either side. And if people think that, then your probably offending some of those that also thinks there isn't any difference between either sides.
south side resident
Jan 6, 2008 5:10 PM
I have to disagree with any other viaduct other than a 3rd avenue one. Wasn't it mentioned by someone else quite a while ago to reroute the train tracks out of town. I know it would cost a lot but from the houses I've seen getting built in Columbus lately you can't tell me that some of these businesses couldn't help kick in some money towards that. Donations are a tax break, right? Didn't I just see an article about how well Behlen mfg is doing?
Learn don't blame
Jan 6, 2008 5:16 PM
I'm sure Columbus has better response times then bigger cities with traffic and construction. Many things can contribute to slow ambulance response, such as traffic, weather, time of day, etc. There will never be a convenient time for someone to have a heart attack. We should always strive for better response times in emergencies by learning from these types of situations. As individuals we should take the time to learn CPR which will prevent brain damage while waiting for help to arrive.
I think its a load too
Jan 6, 2008 5:20 PM
The soughside fire station could be staffed and ready to go in probably two months. The cost is a portion of what a viaduct is. Staff it and the problem of response time on the southside is solved I'm thinking. Somewhere in the future put an underpass stratigically placed if needed. With the exception of emergency people there are no huge traffic problems at the crossings that I know of. Seems like ya;ll like to spend lots of money that isnt necessary!
kitty
Jan 6, 2008 6:13 PM
You need police and fire presence on the south side at all times, not just for an occasional emergency. The state I'm in has police stations and fire stations in our county on the north, south, east and west sides. It isn't because we have such a large population. It's because our county is long and more narrow than wide (with RR tracks separating north and south). In your area, if you insist on having viaducts, 3rd and 12th should be sufficient. More importantly, man a south side police and fire substation.
Councilmen seem to keep getting self absorbed
Jan 6, 2008 6:30 PM
wow i cant even stand to watch the board meetings anymore...all it is is "this is what we think, if you dont think it you're 'Getting too emotional' or 'stupid'" So what if we started a construction project on the north side that caused you almost a half an hour more to get to school wouldn't you get "emotional"??

but its my way or the highway with you


Our government was established on checks and balances this may as well be a dictatorship...
Cacher
Jan 6, 2008 7:37 PM
One other thing to add to this that no one has really mentioned. If response time is a big concern and that's why we need viaducts. What about the fact of the crossings that will close IMMEADIATELY if/when the construction of the new viaducts were to start!! I wonder what kind of response time you could expect then until the viaducts are completed and open? Simple solution, vote NO and push to have the South Side station manned full time!!
sensationalization?
Jan 6, 2008 8:15 PM
First off I'm sorry that this had to happen to this woman brother, but was this story ever told before now? How about before the previous votes on this issue. Why hasn't this been told prior to just days before the vote. It seems to me that the Telegram is on the verge of tabloid journalism just to get THEIR viewpoint across. If this is such an urgent issue, then the southside firestation should begin being staffed TOMORROW, but I guess that anybody who should have a heart attack until the viaduct gets built will just have to be another article waiting to happen for when the Telegram needs to pull it out of their hat.
SouthSider
Jan 6, 2008 8:25 PM
Ok, how long has Columbus been talking about the viaduct??.......let's see, 8+ years?! I don't see how anyone could think we don't need it....! The time wasted at trains and the safety issues that railroad crossings bring into play should be reason enough! Get with it! Make a decision! And hopefully, START CONSTRUCTION! This issue has drug on long enough---taxes are inevitable, take pride in your town and hope for improvements within it!!! Everyone will benefit!!!
Lost brother
Jan 6, 2008 8:59 PM
Maybe this is the first time the telegram or anyone else listened or bothered to ask. We all live in our own little worlds sometimes. I can't imagine this is the only story like this. And what about the police issue? I don't feel so safe in my north of the tracks house after reading this.
Big Dog
Jan 6, 2008 10:06 PM
Man the Southside fire station? Lets get the problems at the north one fixed first.
JOIN THIS CENTURY!
Jan 6, 2008 10:26 PM
I am so sick of Columbus living in the dark ages!! I remember 20 years ago when a mall-management company wanted to open a mall and our lovely downtown association fought it and so they went to Norfolk and remodeled it. Now go any weekend and every car in that lot is 10 county. We also waited until our pool was condemned before we built a new one!! COLUMBUS NEEDS VIADUCTS!! Everyone has to give a little to make our city the place it should be!! This is not about north vs south or white-collar vs. blue-collar... it's about being forward thinking instead of always letting progress pass us by.
wtf
Jan 7, 2008 8:41 AM
im for the viaducts.. but either way.. columbus should have a police & fire/rescue station on the south side of town as well.. stupid that they dont! once again, money is more important than the lives of the people of columbus.. BRILLIANT COLUMBUS!
Southside
Jan 7, 2008 8:47 AM
Man the Southside Firestation if it is such a problem. Send the bill to the people on the Southside that would be serviced by that station.

As for the Police stop, I will have to question the story. You are telling me that for an armed robbery only 2 units responded and then called for backup.

If they called for all units, the first units on scene were able to respond, find the car, and pull them over in less then 2-3 minutes (The time it takes to get to the the viaduct) I am impressed if that is the case.
reply to Learn dont blame
Jan 7, 2008 4:10 PM
Omaha fire response times goals are to be 4 mins BLS and 6 mins ALS. They have more fire stations placed throughout the city. The same goes for the fire response.
sandy
Jan 8, 2008 8:18 AM
Some of the comments on here are rediculous! One of the worst is that if the southside station is to be manned, then the southside residents should pay for it. Does that mean then that people should pay for police or fire protection, based upon their proximity to the police station or fire station? Maybe we could just require a VISA or MasterCard prior to service from the Paramedics or fire fighters!! We need to add the word "NO" to the "City of Power and Progress" signs on east and west Hwy. 30.
Joe
Jan 8, 2008 1:21 PM
One word: Viaduct!
Response Time
Jan 8, 2008 1:52 PM
Our emergency response time is a joke and its not because of the rail road. I called 911 one day because an elderly woman fell in the parking lot of our church, First United Methodist on 14th St. It took 25 minutes and 3 additional calls to get an ambulance there. This was a year ago and this poor woman was left laying on the ground (we weren't sure if she broke anything and didn ot want to cause more injury) for 25 minutes in 20 degree weather. Another thing, why do our emergency vehicles chance running into a train? Why not just go over the viaduct from the get go? And how exactly is a 12th Ave viaduct going to help response time for residents between the viaducts? The response vehicle will still have to go out of the way to get to the 12th Ave viaduct instead of the 33rd Ave viaduct. IF THIS IS TRULY AN ISSUE WE NEED TO MAN THE SOUTHSIDE STATION!!!!!!!!!! OTHERWISE WHAT IS THE POINT OF IT???????????????
what is wrong!
Jan 8, 2008 3:50 PM
A lot of people keep saying they do not want the viaducts and keep on throwing their own proposal out there what are the reasons that you do want the current proposal? Either way money will be spent so why not resolve it now with the current proposal? Why drag this out any longer, get the job done and watch our community benefit!
NO DUH
Jan 8, 2008 7:36 PM
I was once at long john's one day and noticed that a parked car was smoking. i called 911 and reported it...by the time the fire department got there it was in flames..now if the south side station was fully manned it wouldn't have taken the 20 minutes to get to that car fire..now think to yourself what could have happened in that 20 min. that we all had to wait till help arrived..car exploding,buisness's destroyed,injuries to civilians or not to mention the gas station next door..no thanks I enjoy my life..get with the program..columbus is growing..we need more than just 2 stations..i would rather have my taxes go to something more worthwhile than a stupid viaduct.
MikeS.
Jan 8, 2008 9:11 PM
I agree with sandy "City of Power and Progress" This statement meaned alot to me when I first seen the Welcome to Columbus signs. Now it is just a load of crap. Any issue that gets every ones attention ............... Just lost for words, hey I have a good idea, how about we get another golf course for Colunbus! I bet this would happen before the viaduct.
Venting
Jan 9, 2008 8:02 AM
I too am tired of the whining from Columbus residents. You cant make everyone happy! Too many time they have listened to the whiners "dont do that" and look where we are....Crappy mall, empty buildings and most of the town would rather drive to Grand Island or Norfolk to shop. If it wasnt for Walmart or Mendards trying to better this town, we wouldnt get anywhere. The viaduct is nessesary, so just get it done already. A south side Fire Dept sounds nice in theory - Remb how things run now, do you think they would get any better? Stop doing the same darn thing and expecting different results! WELL I guess some people thing thats the right thing, thats why we still have people wanting to take thier money out of town!
Big Dog
Jan 9, 2008 8:41 AM
Everyone always talks about responding to the south side of the tracks or manning the south side station. What about getting back over the tracks to the Hospital?
DUH
Jan 9, 2008 3:59 PM
Big Dog - the best route to the hospital is to use the existing 4 lane viaduct on 33rd Avenue - DUH!
rob g
Jan 9, 2008 5:49 PM
Good job "DUH"!
phreakwars
Jan 10, 2008 11:02 AM
Let's see, if I vote yes, I'll have to contend with skateboard punks (I'm right next to the 18th ave pedestrian cross proposal), I'll also have to put up with MORE traffic on 15th st and 18th ave in the mornings and afternoon when I take my kids to school, if it isn't bad enough already... Parents picking up their kids from St. Bons around this same time will face the same, as will inexperienced high school drivers from Scotus. There will also be NOWHERE for pedestrians to cross from 12th ave till 18th, and from 18th ave-26th? That's 14 blocks worth of people who must navigate out of their way to cross. And, like Catcher, I have STILL never heard anybody explain how this will help Columbus grow or progress. Just a back lash of name calling and extortion. Seems to me the ones who want this are plugging the idea that it's a good thing because they are giving us money to do it.. Whoopy !! If I give you $200, would you go jump off a viaduct for me? I mean, if I'm giving you money for it, sounds like a great idea right? Might as well, I might not offer that money for 15 more years.. I also read comments from people saying those of us opposed are being stubborn.. OK, fair enough... But for being stubborn, seems to me the ones opposed sure can state a valid arguement for reasons to NOT have these viaducts.. Can't say the same for those who are FOR this. Seems the only comeback is : GET WITH THE TIMES. Viaducts have been built for years, well before the last century.. a new viaduct is NOT getting with the times,and is NOT progressive. And again, I say, if were not staffing the south side station, then why did we waste the money building the damn thing? I also read building one ourselves would cost what... 5.3 million? And that we could use sales tax but this and that, Pawnee Plunge and etc are blocking it... To that I say... hey, the plans for buiding the FIRST viaduct aren't for a few years anyway. MORE THEN ENOUGH time for the Pawnee Plunge to be paid off and funds being sent there to be trasferred to building the viaduct, only 2 YEARS LATER doing it ourselves, and as an added bonus... crossings are closed only if WE want them closed, not as part of a package deal for money, damn sellouts !! Seems to me the answer is simple... scratch this stupid vote and vote to build one on 3rd on our own when the funds become available,,, THAT is progress. The Telegram has decided to spin the viaduct proposal to us hard core this week until we all go to vote by pumping out article after article of reasons we should vote yes... All they have accomplished is proving to us all that A. We are being lied to, B. Other alternatives are possible, and C. Not too many people approve of this thing, if they did, they wouldn't need to try spamming it to us so hard. It's pretty sad I say... The little old lady whos only dying wish is to see viaducts, the lady blaming a lack of viaducts for her husband dying (even though that was almost 10 years ago). WHAT DESPERATION !! Truly pathetic.
vote no
Jan 10, 2008 5:34 PM
Phreak wars, You just saved me a lot of typing. I will also add the golf course is losing close to a 1/4 million a year. Turn the golf course over to a private enterprise and a 3rd ave. viaduct would be paid for in about 20 years. It really is amazing that these people do not care one bit about our tax money!
n
Jan 11, 2008 8:39 AM
I'm for the viaduct, but shouldnt you think about emergency responders before you buy your house. You knew there was a set of train tracks that run through the town, that will effect response times. You chose to live there for whatever reason, dont blame the city. It seems as if theese days everyone thinks the government ( at some level) is responsable for taking care of them. Like New Orleans residents blamed the feds. You had 3 days notice, Leave.
Dale
Jan 12, 2008 8:20 AM
A viaduct adds to the towns ability to grow economically which is vital to a towns survivability, if you do not understand this, please don't vote on it. Ignorance is how most politicians get elected
Cacher
Jan 12, 2008 11:14 AM
To Dale:

Please explain to all of us how these viaducts will help this city grow economically? If anything the economic impact to the downtown area if the 23rd ave viaduct goes through will be negative. Even in the areas around 3rd and 12th, please explain where the economic growth potential for the city is? Thank you, I look forward to you answers.
Cry Babies
Jan 12, 2008 8:09 PM
to Cacher:
The downtown sure is thriving right now! I'd sure hate to ruin that!
phreakwars
Jan 12, 2008 8:27 PM
Ditto.. Come on now, lets have it.. how will it help economically.. name one way.. somebody, ANYBODY !! You say it will, so explain it to us "IGNORANT FOLK" NAME ONE WAY. JUST 1. I'll also be patiently waiting........
economic growth
Jan 12, 2008 10:54 PM
Come on all you questioning the economic growth. Don't you realize how much faster you can get your waste products down to the transfer station. Ovbiously, faster times there will increase the amount that we will be able to dispose of, thus allowing us to purchase more goods to replace those we throw away. Just think how much more economic stimulus this will bring to the community. Aside from this, I don't see what other business we have to transact south of the tracks in the area that the viaducts are proposed.
BILL
Jan 17, 2008 3:18 AM
OK SO INSTEAD OF ALL THE NEGATIVE THINGS, LETS PROCEED WITH SOME POSITIVE THINGS. 1) IMMEDIATELY MAN THE SOUTHSIDE FIREHOUSE WITH AN ALS ENGINE COMPANY & ALS AMBULANCE(then IF the Ambulance IS tied up OR DELAYED THE ALS ENGINE CAN STILL INITIATE IMMEDIATE CARE) 2) BUILD EITHER ONE OF THE UNDERPASSES/VIADUCTS. BY THE TIME ITS COMPLETED WHO KNOWS HOW MANY LIVES WILL HAVE BEEN SAVED OR CHANGED FOR THE BETTER! 3) AFTER THE VIADUCT IS BUILT & OPEN EVALUATE SERVICE NEEDS AS TO MAINTAINING AN ALS ENGINE vs ALS AMBULANCE vs BOTH units. I'm SURE THE possible lawsuit settlements(by BOTH THE RAILROADS & the city/state) that could arrise from remaining STATUS QUO would be better put to use into paying for public safety services. DOESNT LIFE STILL MATTER OVER MONEY?
BILL
Jan 17, 2008 3:25 AM
IN the present situation IS there a chance the AMBULANCE COULD BE DELAYED WAITING FOR A TRAIN TO CLEAR ON THE WAY TO THE HOSPITAL? EVEN IF THE PATIENT IS IN THE AMBULANCE THAT STILL DOESNT ENSURE UNDESIRABLE OUTCOMES WONT STILL OCCUR IF THE AMBULANCE HAS TO WAIT TO GET TO THE HOSPITAL! IF THE AMBULANCE STILL MIGHT HAVE TO WAIT THERE IS ONLY 1 option BUILD a viaduct OR OVERPASS ! PUBLIC SAFETY MUST COME BEFORE FREIGHT TRAIN TRAFFIC! Mister RAILROAD OWNER COUGH UP SOME BUCKS TO BE A BETTER NEIGHBOR.
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About 80 trains per day come through Columbus sometimes delaying ambulance, fire and police services to residents. Telegram photo by Blaine McCartney
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